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Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Is purposeless torture moral?
Most governments seem to believe that torture is an immoral and evil thing and most do not have what we would call a torture chambers. Let’s ignore Guantanamo Bay and other exceptions please.
Religions do not seem to agree with this because religions promise a place of torture for evil souls and some believers will even drop a church that preaches that there is no hell. It seems that some believers want badly that there be this place of purposeless torture.
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Hell is a place of purposeless torture and pain. It is used purely for revenge retribution and cruelty.
Some say we choose hell and some think that God, as our judge, sentences us to it. Some think it is eternal while some think that it and its occupants are eventually dumped into a lake of fire and destroyed. A long period of torture to some and a short term of torture to others.
From a moral standpoint, to even create such a place would not be moral.
Is it moral for God to use or let others choose to use his torture chamber called hell or the lake of fire?
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 12:38 pm
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2012 at 12:38 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
"God" isn't doing anything at all. When it comes to lakes of fire, torture, and retribution from beyond the grave we're talking human beings, human desires, human urges, and human claims. What is or is not "moral" is entirely up for grabs.
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Hell is the "stick" part of the "carrot and stick" appeal of christianity, nothing more than a crude attempt to manipulate the weak minded.
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 12:51 pm
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If its gods will, it cannot be immoral is probably the argument.
Which means human morality and divine don't match, in which case we have a nasty case of wtf are you worshipping then.
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Is purposeful torture moral?
(The Dick Cheney Book of Xtian Morality apparently thinks so.)
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I see the monotheistic god as having the mentality of "Piss me off and I will beat the shit out of you, forever. But if you do exactly what I say everything will be okay." Sounds more like a hostage situation to me.
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Anyone who supports eternal torture is a pathetic waste of flesh, in my opinion. Believing in such madness would make my mornings insanely depressing.
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Greatest I am Wrote:Is it moral for God to use or let others choose to use his torture chamber called hell or the lake of fire?
Of course not, but Christians have their mental gymnastics to get around it. You see, rather than judge god on his actions they just declare him to be pure good, therefore no matter how horrible of an atrocity god commits, it must be good.
At least the Greeks were smart enough to see that if there was a god(s) he/she/they had to be malevolent on some level.
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm
If I was god I'd enforce a JUST system where finite crimes deserve finite punishment in Hell, and then gradual rehabilitation through Limbo or wherever to Heaven. After they've done the time, and the victim(s) of their actions has enjoyed paradise for awhile, then there's no reason or justification to be angry with the offender any more. Its all about restoring them after that. There wouldn't be anyone left in Hell after several hundred years or so with me in charge, reminds me of the line from Eraser:
"If God was as forgiving as WITSEC hell would be one empty joint."
But alas, theists believe in a cosmic cretin of similar intellect.  Infinite punishment is not a real amount or duration of punishment anyway. It can't be reached, therefore, justice also cannot be achieved.
(April 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Some think it is eternal while some think that it and its occupants are eventually dumped into a lake of fire and destroyed. Isn't that asinine of them to think that though? What's the point of resurrecting the damned from oblivion, only to send them straight back to oblivion?
Religious dogma isn't just full of convoluted crap, its just plain silly. 
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RE: Is purposeless torture moral?
April 12, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Please show me were you find the word torture in scripture, if you can not then please drop the subject, this subject has been posted to death.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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