(May 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm)JesusLover Wrote: Firstly I must clarify that my argument is not that God exists, but that there is a possibility that he exists.

If a god possibly existed:

a) Why is it a he?
b) Why is there only one?
c) How did it come into being?
d) Why does it care what happens on the celestial speck Tellus?
e) Why (if it indeed is a creator) is it's design so flawed?
f) Why does it collect souls?

And the list goes on and on.

(May 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm)Annik Wrote: I can shoot watermelons from my tits. I won't show you under and circumstances, but I can do it. PROVE ME WRONG.

I can't prove you wrong and I accept that. However I do have serious doubts - biology and physics say its an impossibility.

(May 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm)Tobie Wrote: I believe that a small dancing troupe of pixies can be found in the outer reaches of space. They are undetectable to science. Disprove this. What's that, you can't? Must mean they exist.

Well it must mean there is a possiblity that they exist. However a few differences are important - I know what pixies look like and if I were to observe the whole of space at the same time I could prove if they exist or not. However even with the same ability I can't prove God exists. That's a big difference.

(May 7, 2012 at 1:55 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Atheists do not need to justify anything as we are not making any claim,

Not all of you are, but many are claiming there is no God. That's the same as claiming there is a God.

(May 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: I've said this before and can't recall who I stole it from to begin with... but I have an invisible monkey on my shoulder and he controls the weather. Every time it rains, you see the proof that he exists. Dare you say he isn't real without proof?

I use a similar argument as the one above. I can't disprove the existence of your monkey, but I would be better able to challenge his existence than that of God.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: If a god possibly existed:

a) Why is it a he?

I use the pronoun 'he' for convinced, it could be any gender or genderless.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: b) Why is there only one?

There could be many.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: c) How did it come into being?

I don't know, but an entity so powerful could have existed before time. It could be woven into the fabric of reality.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: d) Why does it care what happens on the celestial speck Tellus?

Maybe it doesn't, it could be benevolent, indifferent or sadistic.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: e) Why (if it indeed is a creator) is it's design so flawed?

What makes it flawed? Maybe it wants it to be this way.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: f) Why does it collect souls?

Maybe it doesn't, maybe we don't have souls.

These are a special kind of pixies, undetectable by any means, like your god.

Pssst.....JL, "possibilities" are a illusion, you can't prove that they exist either. You know what else, the illusion is an illusion (repeat this ad infinitum-also an illusion).

"My god is a possibility or nothing can be proven", sorry, your say-so isn't compelling enough to sway the cosmos amigo. The moment you invoked complete and utter solipsism (even going so far as to question ones own existence) you ruled out any measure of knowledge of your own god along the exact same lines you had hoped would afford the notion a kernal of credibility. This includes any statements of knowledge with regards to the probability or possibility of any given thing. Now, I don't buy it. But I do find it amusing that you felt compelled to resort to such in an attempt to elevate your deity to the level of "as probable as a tooth fairy".

If perfect god made humans in his (perfect) image, why did he/she/it make such a bad job of it?
Any first year engineering student could work out that it is a bad idea to have breathing and feeding systems sharing a common set of plumbing.
Why is the human eye so badly made, we can only see a small range of the electromagnetic spectrum, it works poorly in low light levels and is very easy to damage.
What is the point of my apendix?
What are my nipples for? (I am male, or I was last time I looked )
Why run a sewage pipe through a recreational area?

(May 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm)JesusLover Wrote:

(May 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm)Annik Wrote: I can shoot watermelons from my tits. I won't show you under and circumstances, but I can do it. PROVE ME WRONG.

I can't prove you wrong and I accept that. However I do have serious doubts - biology and physics say its an impossibility.

Your god is as unlikely as my watermelon-cannon. That's why we need evidence. You'd say I was crazy or an idiot if this was said to you out of context. It'd be a bigger issue if people wasted their lives worshiping my tits (not that they don't, ey-ey~!).

(May 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm)Tobie Wrote: These are a special kind of pixies, undetectable by any means, like your god.

I can't prove they don't exist. However if they did exist they would do so as part of God's will, in the same way that humans and all other things exist. So the 'Pixies' would have no consequence to me, they would be inferior to God.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm)JesusLover Wrote:

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(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: If a god possibly existed:

a) Why is it a he?

I use the pronoun 'he' for convinced, it could be any gender or genderless.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: b) Why is there only one?

There could be many.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: c) How did it come into being?

I don't know, but an entity so powerful could have existed before time. It could be woven into the fabric of reality.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: d) Why does it care what happens on the celestial speck Tellus?

Maybe it doesn't, it could be benevolent, indifferent or sadistic.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: e) Why (if it indeed is a creator) is it's design so flawed?

What makes it flawed? Maybe it wants it to be this way.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: f) Why does it collect souls?

Maybe it doesn't, maybe we don't have souls.

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Then, why give flying fuck if it exists or not, why worship it?

(May 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm)JesusLover Wrote:

(May 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm)Tobie Wrote: These are a special kind of pixies, undetectable by any means, like your god.

I can't prove they don't exist. However if they did exist they would do so as part of God's will, in the same way that humans and all other things exist. So the 'Pixies' would have no consequence to me, they would be inferior to God.

I'm afraid it is the other way around. These pixies danced everything into existence.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:12 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: If perfect god made humans in his (perfect) image, why did he/she/it make such a bad job of it?
Any first year engineering student could work out that it is a bad idea to have breathing and feeding systems sharing a common set of plumbing.
Why is the human eye so badly made, we can only see a small range of the electromagnetic spectrum, it works poorly in low light levels and is very easy to damage.
What is the point of my apendix?
What are my nipples for? (I am male, or I was last time I looked )
Why run a sewage pipe through a recreational area?

Firstly it could be a part of God's plan. This plan is incomprehensible to us. Secondly who says a God has to care about his creations - maybe he made us that way for a joke.

(May 7, 2012 at 2:12 pm)Annik Wrote: Your god is as unlikely as my watermelon-cannon.

No it's not. God is the driving force behind the whole universe and reality. Your water melon tits can be disproved by science and are simply perverse.