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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 4:31 pm
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(May 13, 2012 at 4:19 pm)StatCrux Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: I am dyslexic what do you expect?
Oh sorry I thought you were just stupid.
I don't know if to take that as an insult or a complement. Probably insult.
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 4:27 pm)genkaus Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 3:31 pm)StatCrux Wrote: So if I make a statement of "men have a penis, women have a vagina" using your logic one man without a penis would invalidate the statement? Is that what you are proposing? I've seen this reasoning before....
Why yes, it would. Which is why we don't define men as "those who have a penis", nor do we define women as "those who have a vagina". Biologically, a male-to-female transsexual who has a vagina and breasts is still a man.
What is the biological definition of male and female?
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm)StatCrux Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 4:27 pm)genkaus Wrote: Why yes, it would. Which is why we don't define men as "those who have a penis", nor do we define women as "those who have a vagina". Biologically, a male-to-female transsexual who has a vagina and breasts is still a man.
What is the biological definition of male and female?
Chromosome I am assuming. Males have XY, female XX, unless there is a severe genetic mutation.
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm)Tobie Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm)StatCrux Wrote: What is the biological definition of male and female?
Chromosome I am assuming. Males have XY, female XX, unless there is a severe genetic mutation.
Ever heard of AIS? Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. A person with XY chromosomes is insensitive to androgen and develops physically as a female, so we cannot use chromosomes as a way of defining male/female. Or are you saying that AIS women are really men?
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm
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(May 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm)StatCrux Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm)Tobie Wrote: Chromosome I am assuming. Males have XY, female XX, unless there is a severe genetic mutation.
Ever heard of AIS? Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. A person with XY chromosomes is insensitive to androgen and develops physically as a female, so we cannot use chromosomes as a way of defining male/female. Or are you saying that AIS women are really men?
Well they would be physically Female but genetically Male and since the government does not check your genetic gender they would be classed as female, if your God excepted that is up to what you think.
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm)StatCrux Wrote: Ever heard of AIS? Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. A person with XY chromosomes is insensitive to androgen and develops physically as a female, so we cannot use chromosomes as a way of defining male/female. Or are you saying that AIS women are really men?
Well they would be physically Female but genetically Male.
Yes but how is male and female defined if people with XY chromosomes can be women, or are they still male, are you saying they are neither male or female or somehow both?
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm
(May 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm)StatCrux Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm)Tobie Wrote: Chromosome I am assuming. Males have XY, female XX, unless there is a severe genetic mutation.
Ever heard of AIS? Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. A person with XY chromosomes is insensitive to androgen and develops physically as a female, so we cannot use chromosomes as a way of defining male/female. Or are you saying that AIS women are really men?
Like I said, you cannot exclusively use chromosomes if someone has a severe genetic mutation.
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 5:01 pm
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*Nixxed, got ninja'd*
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm
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(May 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Tobie Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm)StatCrux Wrote: Ever heard of AIS? Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. A person with XY chromosomes is insensitive to androgen and develops physically as a female, so we cannot use chromosomes as a way of defining male/female. Or are you saying that AIS women are really men?
Like I said, you cannot exclusively use chromosomes if someone has a severe genetic mutation.
The whole point of this is that exceptions to a rule invalidate that rule, right? So if some people can have XY chromosomes and be female, you cannot say that XY chromosomes indicate male? So how can we define male and female?
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RE: Same sex marriage
May 13, 2012 at 5:05 pm
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(May 13, 2012 at 4:27 pm)genkaus Wrote: Why yes, it would. Which is why we don't define men as "those who have a penis", nor do we define women as "those who have a vagina". Biologically, a male-to-female transsexual who has a vagina and breasts is still a man.
I was beaten to the punch...
If personality is a part of biology... I am inclined to disagree.
And do I have to go into it again? I should make a thread. But I want to wait like 5-8 months first!
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