(May 21, 2012 at 3:15 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: It matters a lot.
It spells the difference between loyalty and disloyalty, it spells the difference between honesty and dishonesty, it spells the difference between being useful to your nation and to your people and being a liability.

Not a single one of those things is dictated by the blood you have in your veins or the colour of your skin.

What a fucking moronic statement.

People aren't horses. People are equal. Anyone how says his race is superior is a self-important, blinded prick.

This, of course, is a general statement, not directed at aaaanyone.

(May 21, 2012 at 3:56 pm)Napoleon Wrote:

(May 21, 2012 at 3:15 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: It matters a lot.
It spells the difference between loyalty and disloyalty, it spells the difference between honesty and dishonesty, it spells the difference between being useful to your nation and to your people and being a liability.

Not a single one of those things is dictated by the blood you have in your veins or the colour of your skin.

What a fucking moronic statement.

You still are refusing to actually read what I'm writing down.
I'm saying that mixed blood results in a loss of ethnic consciousness within the individual, and brings with it the loyalty to other people besides the people that are of the majority of this country, but you seem to be disregarding my words. Either I am unable to properly explain myself, or you're too stupid to understand them.
Besides, nearly all of these things are dictated by the blood your have in your veins.
Why would we have fought seperatist rebellions for years, if the blood in their veins was so irrelevant?
Obviously you are too foreign to the concept of ethnic consciousness to fully understand what I'm telling you.

Maybe you should take a look at why organisations like the IRA exist. They are organisations that are motivated by ethnic tensions. Obviously your ethnicity(your blood) does have a relevance to your loyalty to whatever country you live in.
Would you expect me to be "loyal" to your country if I lived there?
Even if I earn my bread there, that is the only, and only thing that binds me there.

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Quote:...you admitted that you don't care what the law might say, you'll apply your own criteria with the specific purpose of treating people unequally on grounds of their ethnicity.

However, I do not flaunt the law by stating that these people do not have equal worth in my eyes.
If I were to forcefully seperate unions, or attack people who are engaged in such unions, meaning, creating anarchy. I'm a man of law and order. Even if a particular law is not to my liking, I stay loyal to my country and my laws. Laws can be changed. Order on the other hand, is always to be upheld, no matter what laws are in place.

Quote:Of course I know the term, don't be patronising. It's purpose was to unite oppressed ethnicities in the struggle for equal rights (in the same way the term 'feminism' is used by women). It was not intended to be used as a nationalistic premise for bigotry! Your abuse of the term shits on the memory of all those who made any kind of sacrifice in the name of racial equality.

Well, "uniting oppressed ethnicities" sounds like a communist term.
We do not need other ethnicities, no matter how oppressed they are, within our own lands. More minorities means more trouble.
We only need our own, whether we are oppressed or not. Unity in national and ethnic consciousness.

Those who have made sacrifices for racial equality are moot in my eyes.
Racial equality does not exist in this world. What equality do the people in Africa have in regards to you? They starve, while you stuff your belly with food every day. Where is your equality? Only on paper.

Quote:You do; the human race. It doesn't matter how you 'feel' about it, that is the basic fact. You might well benefit from having your genes sequenced & read so that you can understand how similar you are to other people of every nation. All human 'ethnicities' are a varied mixture of each other; in fact, there is no such thing as 'ethnicity' except as the result of negative tribal memes. A greater understanding of what binds us as a species would do you the world of good.

Yeah, the human race. And what has the human race done for me?
Nothing. The thought of "unity of the human species" is a foolish form of thought ignoring the fact that we speak different languages, think differently, dress and look differently. It's an enterprise that seeks to unite humanity under a very thin context. Belonging to the same species. Yes, obviously this works for countries which are put together by different people that are bound only by personal gain, like the US, Canada or nowadays, the European countries, but it does not work for countries that are bound by ethnic heritage, language and culture.

We on the other hand work to bring our own ethnicity together.
A greater understanding on what binds us as a species does not exist. It never did. If it did, we would all speak the same language, adhere to the same culture, look alike and dress alike, we would build the tower of babel. But we never did, and never will, unless you take it upon yourself by the way of bloody war and oppression to force us under a single flag, like the communists once tried to do.

Quote:You demonstrate my previous point for me. I don't care about your tribalistic justifications for bigotry, it doesn't change the fact that your views cause harm to others. Thousands of people are killed each year because of such views; many, many more are abused or injured.

Oh, now my views harm others? How many people did I beat up and kill, friend? Not one. My views have not harmed anyone, as our views serve to exalt and benefit our nation. Only those who wish to hurt our people will suffer harm in our hands.

Quote:One more thing. Historically, societies which have accepted other 'ethnicities' into their own have generated far higher survival rates and quality of life, on an individual basis, than those which have xenophobic tendencies. Not only are your views ethically questionable, they're fractally wrong.

Obviously, those ethnicities were of weak national and ethnic consciousness and were easily absorbed. We now live in a time where ethnic consciousness is high, and people wish to uphold their own traditions, languages and cultures.
In these times, the mixing of ethnicities and races result in confusion and harm to the mother nations in which those half-breeds reside in.

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(May 21, 2012 at 4:12 pm)Annik Wrote: People aren't horses. People are equal. Anyone how says his race is superior is a self-important, blinded prick.

This, of course, is a general statement, not directed at aaaanyone.

Well, I love my race above all others. It's enough.
Besides, it is not you who should speak of self-importance. I know that you all are staunch individualists, and hold the individual above society.
Who are you to speak to me about superiority? You consider your own self to be superior to the next person, and hold yourself above the public, law and society, that which belongs to your own, and come to me with lectures of unity?
You are the haters of unity and equality. How can someone which only speaks of selfishness be an advocate of equality at all?
Obviously you need to re-think your views regarding everything.

(May 21, 2012 at 3:48 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: er... wow Chuck... wow. Not the words I would of chosen, theres no need to sink to his level. Just cool down, everyone knows the guy has warped views. K?

I am just returning his compliments about non-turks.

(May 21, 2012 at 4:42 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(May 21, 2012 at 3:48 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: er... wow Chuck... wow. Not the words I would of chosen, theres no need to sink to his level. Just cool down, everyone knows the guy has warped views. K?

I am just returning his compliments about non-turks.

You're returning things, you say. Please quote.

(May 21, 2012 at 4:15 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: You still are refusing to actually read what I'm writing down.

Oh really? I thought I was responding to the lottery numbers coming up on my screen. I really must have missed what you said.

Quote:I'm saying that mixed blood results in a loss of ethnic consciousness within the individual, and brings with it the loyalty to other people besides the people that are of the majority of this country, but you seem to be disregarding my words.

Even IF what you say is true, that would not be decided by the colour of your skin, but rather racial and social stereotypes. Without such stereotypes there would be none of what you mention.

Quote:Either I am unable to properly explain myself, or you're too stupid to understand them.

Oh I understand your points just fine. You're doing a fine job of pointing out what a bigot you are.

Getting a strange sense of déjà vu.

Quote:Besides, nearly all of these things are dictated by the blood your have in your veins.

I'll just take your word for it Doctor Mehmet.

Quote:Why would we have fought seperatist rebellions for years, if the blood in their veins was so irrelevant?

Are you really so naive? You think wars, ANY war, is fought because of the blood people have?

New level of stupidity here.

Quote:Obviously you are too foreign to the concept of ethnic consciousness to fully understand what I'm telling you.

Sounds like a load of mystical bullshit to me.

Quote:Maybe you should take a look at why organisations like the IRA exist. They are organisations that are motivated by ethnic tensions. Obviously your ethnicity(your blood) does have a relevance to your loyalty to whatever country you live in.
Would you expect me to be "loyal" to your country if I lived there?
Even if I earn my bread there, that is the only, and only thing that binds me there.

Another load of tripe from you Mehmet. Say hello to the fucking Gurkhas you dipshit. They are more loyal to Britain than anyone else on this fucking planet, yet most of them haven't even stepped on the soil of the British Isles.
You seriously must live in your own little bubble.

(May 21, 2012 at 4:15 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: [...]
Well, I love my race above all others. It's enough.
Besides, it is not you who should speak of self-importance. I know that you all are staunch individualists, and hold the individual above society.
Who are you to speak to me about superiority? You consider your own self to be superior to the next person, and hold yourself above the public, law and society, that which belongs to your own, and come to me with lectures of unity?
You are the haters of unity and equality. How can someone which only speaks of selfishness be an advocate of equality at all?
Obviously you need to re-think your views regarding everything.

1. You're a racist.
2. I never said I consider myself better than anyone.
3. The rights of the individual should be held over the rights of a society because if even one person's rights are infringed upon, you're doing it wrong.
4. I do not consider myself above the law, although I will advocate it's change if the law infringes on rights or if it's based on incredible ignorance.
5. I advocate unity. In fact, I'd love it if we'd stop all this bullshit about "my country this, my country that, I'm going to start wars and murder people for my country". That's not unity. I consider myself, first and foremost, a citizen of the Earth and then a citizen of America.
6. Respecting the individual and placing yourself above people are not the same thing.

Just for something to soften your delusion that if the Turkic countries were united, they would be the most powerful/best:

On a rough calculation ( based on current population and PPP estimates ) they would have a combined PPP per capita of $10,800 (international $) which places this theoretical nation at 75th - 80th out of the world. Definitely not best.

I think, that of gay marriage is legal, nobody should be able to turn it away, by law. But it will be boiled down to personal belief, and disrespect to god or something of the sort, and that's where the complications will arise, as they always do. If I lived in a country where it was legal, I wouldn't want to have to search for a specific church. Because if it was an actual right, we wouldn't have to fight for it and comply to religious notions like finding separate churches to marry in.

(May 21, 2012 at 5:07 pm)jess_essential Wrote: I think, that of gay marriage is legal, nobody should be able to turn it away, by law. But it will be boiled down to personal belief, and disrespect to god or something of the sort, and that's where the complications will arise, as they always do. If I lived in a country where it was legal, I wouldn't want to have to search for a specific church. Because if it was an actual right, we wouldn't have to fight for it and comply to religious notions like finding separate churches to marry in.

I don't think it's right to force a church to marry a gay couple if they don't want to. It seems like a violation of religious freedom.