@ Alter2Ego I answered your eight questions and added a little.

(May 23, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Actually that is history. It is taken from the Annals of the Kings of Judah.

Which is where?

Book Of Kings? In which case it ain't history,it's mythology.

(May 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: So, only your bible is the right one?

ALTER2EGO -to- KAYENNEH:
Take a look at my Post #17 on Page 2 of this thread, and you will see that I presented five different Bibles that correctly translate the word as "Gehenna" instead of "hell fire." Here is the weblink to Page 2.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-12986-page-2.html


Below as a reminder is what Tobie presented as proof of hellfire.

(May 22, 2012 at 12:15 pm)Tobie Wrote: Also, this quote quite clearly says hellfire:

But I say unto you, that whosoever is angry with his brother without cause shall be in danger of judgement: and whosoever say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22

ALTER2EGO -to- KAYENNEH:
Instead of ending with the term "hell fire," the correct word that belongs there is "Gehenna." In the Bible, "Gehenna" refers to permanent death or permanent destruction. The term "hell fire" is a translation blunder.


I will respond to the other part of your post shortly.

(May 23, 2012 at 3:56 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 23, 2012 at 12:00 pm)Insanity x Wrote: When I see all this loved up bible nonsense it makes me want to go quote some of the more interesting parts of the bible. You know like "I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23 Revelations

Cherry picker.

You almost imply that cherry picking bible verses is not a common occurrence

(May 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: And it so just happens, that if one reads the Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, German or Finnish version, one's wrong if they all mention burning in hellfire? Once again, the bible is a failure as an accurate description of anything, since it seems that no one can translate the piece of shit decently.

ALTER2EGO -to- KAYENNEH:
It doesn't matter what language something is translated into. The contents should be the same so that anyone reading the info in their language would come away with the same understanding

Translators are imperfect humans. They make mistakes. However, some Bible versions contain many more errors than others, and some of the translation blunders are deliberate.

For example, translators who believe in the Trinity and hellfire dogmas have actually inserted words into their version that don't belong in the Bible at all. In some instances, they removed words that belong in the Bible because leaving in the particular words would raise a red flag that the teaching of a 3-prong god is not scriptural. The King James Version is a prime example of this. It contains dozens of translation blunders that were discovered by modern translators who went back and read older, more reliable manuscripts that predate the manuscripts upon which the KJV is based.

(May 24, 2012 at 1:05 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: It doesn't matter what language something is translated into. The contents should be the same so that anyone reading the info in their language would come away with the same understanding

That worked out well.

(May 22, 2012 at 11:16 pm)Drich Wrote: The Jews Believe Hell or Sheol to be death/the Grave. They do not believe in a place of eternal torment. So all of you OT quotes would logically point to hell being the grave or pit.
Some do not believe in the resurection either. you get this life and that is it.

that said Christ had another take on Hell not consistent with traditional Jewish beliefs. (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

Yikes, what a sweetheart the son of god turned out to be. "Thanx Jesus! You really know how to show us the love! Good thing we have you as such a good role model to follow. It's simple really, I just do like you do Jesus ... when people don't like me or the things I believe - I just kill 'em. Thanx again jesus!!!"

Quote:I used to be a burn in hell forever type of person but now i am not so sure, even so I know Hell is real and whatever the actual make up of it, it will not be a pleasent place, no matter how long you spend there.

Do you know hell is real because god says so?
Do you know your god is real because the bible says so?
Do you know your bible is true because .... ???


Yeah yeah ... you KNOW hell is real ...... and everybody flies around in golden ice cream trucks in heaven too.

I wonder how many muslims KNOW that Allah is the one true god.



Arrogant Christian, please accept my gift, as it is a true expression of how I feel:

(May 23, 2012 at 10:20 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Even though I remain suspicious of the OP, I will for the benefit of my brothers and sisters I will explain the New Church approach to biblical symbolism. Every term and phrase in the Word expresses an inner meaning that correspondences with a spiritual truth about our Lord. These spiritual meanings add to the literary and historical meanings that convey more basic instruction.

Passages related to fire are particularly clear that this is so it corresponds with love. Love, either good or bad, is the inward fire, as seen in some representative examples from the Word: I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance; but he that cometh after me . . . shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. (Matt 3:11) All these refer to the love that filles our hearts when we recieve Him.

ALTER2EGO -to- CHADWOOTERS:
As I mentioned in my opening post, fire is used in the Bible to symbolize cleansing OR permanent destruction. The scripture at Matthew 3:11 that you quoted above is one such example. The speaker is John the Baptist, and he's referring to Jesus Christ.

"I, for my part, baptize you with water because of your repentance; but the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not fit to take off. That one will baptize you people with holy spirit and fire." (Matthew 3:11)


That scripture has no connection whatsoever with hellfire. Furthermore, the Bible indicates that hell is nothing more than mankind's common grave. If it were a place of literal fiery torment, Jesus Christ, the epitome of a righteous man, would not have spent three days there after his crucifixion as that would have been unjust.

"{21} In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely. {22} He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth." (1 Peter 2:21-22)


"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, neither his flesh did see corruption."
(Acts 2:31--King James Version)

@Aleter2Ego if I beg would you stop using all these colors?

(May 23, 2012 at 10:20 am)ChadWooters Wrote: The God that answereth by fire, let him be God. (1 Kings 18:24) The angel of the Lord appeared unto Moses in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. (Exodus 3:2) The Ancient of days did sit: . . . his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. (Dan. 7:9) ...his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace. (Rev. 1: 14, 15) In these and many other passages we read about how our Lord radiates love.

ALTER2EGO -to- CHADWOOTERS:
Why are you quoting these verses? They are all presenting different circumstances in which fire is used, and none of the circumstances involve hellfire.

1. The verse at Exodus 3:2 speaks about God's angel appearing to Moses in a flame of fire.

2. The scripture at Daniel 7:9 is talking about God's throne being like the fiery flame.

3. Daniel 7:9 is comparing God's eyes to a flame of fire.

Hell is supposedly underground; remember? God's angel appeared to Moses above ground in a flame of fire. God's throne is in the heavens. You are indiscriminately selecting verses of scriptures simply because the word "fire" appears somewhere in the verses, and you're doing this regardless of the context.