(June 6, 2012 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Those who accept Christ as their savior are going to be in heaven, those who do not will be in hell, this is as simple as I can make it.

You almost make it sound like it's your decision. I suppose really it is just what you infer from the bible or have been told by experts interpreting the bible. But you believe it so by all means present it as a foregone conclusion. There can be no room for debate or a difference of opinions when your beliefs rest on the rock of ages, hey? Silly Christians. It must be awfully hard remaining humble and faithful when you're convinced the bible gives you dead certainty and a virtual contract with God.

(June 6, 2012 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: No the soul is eternal, it is spirit, not physical.

The scriptures contradict you.

Quote:Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Something that can be destroyed is not regarded as eternal.

Quote:I believe that God sees that a person has wasted their life, when they simply would have to give it over to their creator.

So is god disappointed in his creation then? Does he regret making mankind?

Quote:No it is the decisions of the individuals that have made possible for them to spend eternity in hell. God has said, He desires that no one lose their life.

Then the plan is not perfect. By your admission, man has royally cocked up god's plans and thwarted his will for them.

Quote:You should quit cherry picking, for that practice is making you the one who looks dumb. You ever heard the term dumb use for someone who can not hear, it totally applies here, you big dummy.

When I pointed to the scriptures and refuted your statement, I had half expected you would have provided a more well-thought-out counterargument of a response. You disappoint me as usual.

(June 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Something that can be destroyed is not regarded as eternal.

"Destroyed" is not the same as annihilated. It can also mean ruined.

(June 7, 2012 at 9:29 am)Drich Wrote: The bible segregates the Spirit from the soul 9 different times. The OT accounts (when read in complete context) tends to better describe the relationship between the two. NT writers tend to assume you already know what the difference is.
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=spirit soul&version1=50&searchtype=all

Sorry, not part of my orthodox upbringing. So we all have double personalities by design. No wonder human race fares so badly with this schizoid blueprint. And some people call it "intelligent design". Truly pathetic.

(June 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(June 6, 2012 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Those who accept Christ as their savior are going to be in heaven, those who do not will be in hell, this is as simple as I can make it.

You almost make it sound like it's your decision. I suppose really it is just what you infer from the bible or have been told by experts interpreting the bible. But you believe it so by all means present it as a foregone conclusion. There can be no room for debate or a difference of opinions when your beliefs rest on the rock of ages, hey? Silly Christians. It must be awfully hard remaining humble and faithful when you're convinced the bible gives you dead certainty and a virtual contract with God.

Because I realize that the God of creation has shown me the truth of His scriptures and that it was not of myself, yes I can stay humble. When I don't, believe me God let's me know in no uncertain terms. You are given the right by God to believe what ever satisfies you, however being satisfied without God is unimaginable to me, I was once in that position.

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(June 6, 2012 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: No the soul is eternal, it is spirit, not physical.

Wc Wrote:The scriptures contradict you.Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Something that can be destroyed is not regarded as eternal.

As Chadwooters said, the idea in that passage is to ruin. If you would, please notice, the author used the word kill in the first part of the verse to show that only the body dies. Why can't you reason these passages, so many on here call me stupid, however it seems I can reason better than you. Just say'in.

Gc Wrote:I believe that God sees that a person has wasted their life, when they simply would have to give it over to their creator.

Wc Wrote:So is god disappointed in his creation then? Does he regret making mankind?

He said He did before the flood, I can not yet say that's not what He meant, I need to study that passage more. I do think that He meant His regret was that man had turn so far away from Him, and that He regrets having to wipe man off the face of the earth. I do not believe God is disappointed in His creation, His disappointment is with the one's who reject His love.

Gc Wrote:No it is the decisions of the individuals that have made possible for them to spend eternity in hell. God has said, He desires that no one lose their life.

Wc Wrote:Then the plan is not perfect. By your admission, man has royally cocked up god's plans and thwarted his will for them.

No the plan is perfect, God knew how things would go, it's man that is not right with God.

Quote:You should quit cherry picking, for that practice is making you the one who looks dumb. You ever heard the term dumb use for someone who can not hear, it totally applies here, you big dummy.

Wc Wrote:When I pointed to the scriptures and refuted your statement, I had half expected you would have provided a more well-thought-out counterargument of a response. You disappoint me as usual.

You never refuted my statement , the only thing you refuted was your intelligence. Be disappointed in yourself not me, you're the one who doesn't understand the scripture you posted.

God told me you have it so bassackwards, he doesn't have the heart to tell you.

(June 7, 2012 at 12:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(June 7, 2012 at 12:26 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I thought you only believed in biblical Christianity? Now you're professing belief in the rapture?

The bible seems to allow that as one interpretation so it is an area of legitimate debate among Christians. That doesn't undermine our fundamental trust in our Lord and Savior.

SEEMS TO ALLOW? ?? That's rich. But of course it does allow, since it and your "rapture" sre all made-up bullshit fairytales.

Godschild Wrote:As Chadwooters said, the idea in that passage is to ruin. If you would, please notice, the author used the word kill in the first part of the verse to show that only the body dies. Why can't you reason these passages, so many on here call me stupid, however it seems I can reason better than you. Just say'in.

In the passage Welsh Cake pulled up, it quite clearly says "destroy both body and soul". If you have a biblical passage saying that destroy means ruin in this case, or that something that can be destroyed is still eternal, then please, share it.

Well, if we use the Distributive Property of Scriptural Interpretation (DPSI), the bible seems to allow that ruination of body and soul to mean becoming a fat, chain-smoking, Steel Reserve guzzling denizen of Walmart, therefore god exists.

So what are my choices here? I have to decide whether or not an object with no known instances of existence can be annihilated (how would I know the difference between an existing soul and an annihilated soul btw, both are pretty thin on the ground?) and one which can be ruined? So, essentially, my "soul" is so worthless that it is feasable to shitcan it (one would imagine that such a thing would be far too valuable for such treatment), or is of such poor design that it can be broken (one would imagine that such a thing would be far more resilient)?

I'll have the chicken.