The health care act that Obama and Democrats put forth, while not perfect, was UPHELD by the Supreme Court! I really didn't see this coming. I thought like most that it would go down because of the divided court leaning right.

But now what are the right wingnuts going to do now that their own on the bench didn't side with them>

FINALLY a victory for the middle class and poor.

SO THIS GETS A HEARTY FUCK YEA!

I soooo want to see Rush bitch about this, he is going to become a frothing madman worthy of a straight jacket!

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Not so sure now, listing to the news, it almost sounds like they upheld the law, but cut the nuts off it.

The mandate is in tact, AND the states cannot reduce medicade if they opt out, and there is a penalty if you don't buy in, but said it was only on paper and you would not go to jail if you didn't buy in.

SO is this a win or not?

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Other comments on other boards are saying this will only be a boon for the insurance companies. I don't know. I am not going to put it past them, most uber rich who only care about money always find and or create a loophole to screw the rest of us.

So it depends on us to make it work and defend it, and be willing to dump it if all it does is make things worse.

Just hearing a complaint on TV from a republican that it will "kill job creators"

i AM SO sick of the business owners thinking they create jobs. NO if the people that buy at a business don't have the money to buy anything, you the business owner don't have a reason to hire more people.

THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR ARE THE JOB CREATORS, the more we make the more we spend, the more we spend the more YOU benefit, thus the more incentive to hire.

If you uber dickhead corporate types would pull your heads out of your ass, you would see that the more you give DIRECTLY to the worker to make their lives stable, and the more time they have with their families and the more they can educate their kids, the more money they have in their pockets the less they have to turn to government for help.

There is nothing wrong with wealth, but right now it suffers as a climate, a severe lack of introspection.

But no more holding us hostage and blackmailing the middle and working poor with loss of jobs just to maintain your profits. When we have money we buy things, when we buy things, you hire people. WE NOT YOU are the job creators.

All the rest of us want, the bottom 99 percent is for you to stop bullying us into taking less just so you can have more.

Very glad to see this decision in spite of Thomas' presence. Sure would like to see him impeached from the Supreme court.

It's a mistake to regard this as a victory for the lower classes. It is a victory for the health insurance companies.

Yes, the law has some good features but primarily it failed to set up a national health care plan like more modern and evolved nations have done.

(June 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's a mistake to regard this as a victory for the lower classes. It is a victory for the health insurance companies.

Yes, the law has some good features but primarily it failed to set up a national health care plan like more modern and evolved nations have done.

I really hope that is not the case, but nothing about big money in the hands of greedy people surprises me. But if that is the case, when you look at human behavior, you can only abuse people for so long and the opportunity will eventually long term, come up to the point of a revolution.

The Romans feel for that reason, they exploited everything and spread themselves to thin.

China is stable now, but the problem is that the population is much more in tune to global issues and may in the future get to the point of bucking their modern system. We even now, hear stories of abuse. When those people get enough power themselves, they will rebel.

So my advice to the people at the top, if what you are saying is true, this short term gain for the top, will fizzle out when too many people become poor. As long as we have our constitution, I see no long term power for their monopolies, once the money dries up, there will be a power vacuum they will have to pay for.

The only moral rule is one that takes into account the least in that society, and to maintain power the best thing to do is ask yourself how you would want to be treated when you lose it, because power is never static in evolution.

I am taking a wait and see approach on this issue.

(June 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's a mistake to regard this as a victory for the lower classes. It is a victory for the health insurance companies.

Yes, the law has some good features but primarily it failed to set up a national health care plan like more modern and evolved nations have done.

Totally agreed. But remember where we live and with whom. We may not yet be a third world nation but we are a backwater in many ways.

Given this handicap we should never turn our noses up at incremental improvement. Hold out for perfection and the status quo becomes immortal.

The problem with incremental improvement is that we tend to settle for it and pat ourselves on the back thinking we have done something great.

We haven't.

Maybe with a decade of people in the middle class and working poor even repuplicans, have enough of the positive parts, long term they will simply say "shit, that worked, lets go all the way"

I really hate it when people trash public things like teachers and post office and police. None of those things have stopped private schools or tutors, none of that has stopped FED X or private security firms.

I don't think this country's history will ever allow for an all public health care system, but I know power shifts over time with out constitution so MAYBE if some of it gives people what they need, they won't scrap the private sector completely, but that "public option" will start looking better.

Quote:I don't think this country's history will ever allow for an all public health care system

What was there in any other nation's history which allowed for it? The right-wing seemingly loves to chant "We're Americans....when we're backward and stupid it is because we want to be."

Fuck them.

I find it interesting how you're trying to get a public health care system, whereas here in the UK the NHS is predicted to be on the verge of bankruptcy in the next decade where several hospitals are already on the brink of going bust and face being dissolved.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18584968

I just heard from a doctor on tv, SHE says it will do good and it will keep the insurance cubical deniers out of the office and put the decisions back in her and the patients hands.