(July 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(July 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Well, I'd suggest Ron Paul has a reasonable amount of sanity. Far more than Obama in any case.

I hear what you're saying but on the other hand, read my signature. (Hard to argue with logic like that.)

I think you should take a peek at Gary Johnson.

(July 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(July 27, 2012 at 12:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Try to remember dear Brit cousins that Romney was the least crazy of the lot seeking the GOP nomination. The rest of them were out of their fucking minds.

Well, I'd suggest Ron Paul has a reasonable amount of sanity. Far more than Obama in any case.

What Ron Paul has more of is most assuredly not sanity.

(July 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm)Annik Wrote:

(July 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm)whateverist Wrote: I hear what you're saying but on the other hand, read my signature. (Hard to argue with logic like that.)

I think you should take a peek at Gary Johnson.

I see him as the cheeze in the trap that keeps enough votes from Obama to get Mitt elected. No cheeze is that good no matter what colour.

(July 27, 2012 at 2:10 pm)whateverist Wrote: I see him as the cheeze in the trap that keeps enough votes from Obama to get Mitt elected. No cheeze is that good no matter what colour.

Well, I see him as a worthy candidate. I'm definitely not a fan of Romney and Obama doesn't tickle my fancy, either. Between Paul and Johnson, Johnson takes my cake.

(July 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm)whateverist Wrote: Touchy. Do you really think any more loyalty is owed to the government of the place where you are born than is owed to the religion in the household in which you are born? If so I would like to hear the rationale.

Completely vapid shit response. Cheery.

Nowhere in my fucking post did I specify that you owe loyalty to the government, especially given that said government is polymorphic in nature and changes through a multitude of people.

The only common denominator of bad government is those who vote and consequentially, those who don't vote.

I stand for my country and state due to the values I've embraced and will fight for a progressive push in culture instead of cowardly figuring I can retreat to a country that is alien and unknown.

But most of all, most that you convieniently seem to omit, is that a country is made up of it's people.

Americans are of my people. And like family, I'll hold onto the relationship with all I got.

That's not a convincing argument for someone who doesn't feel that same way I do. I get it.

I advise those who don't to get the fuck out and stop raping our country for your opportunities if you don't want any skin in the game.

People who threaten to cut and run are the worst of all -- they try to force their will and then give up when it goes the other way. No conviction, no sticking it through.

Our choices are pretty shit to.



You guys have a little more crazy in the mix tho

(July 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: People who threaten to cut and run are the worst of all -- they try to force their will and then give up when it goes the other way. No conviction, no sticking it through.

I would just like to say that they have the right to leave the country in that case. It's not a lack of conviction. I won't sit in a place and be tortured (figure of speech) for 4 years if I can help it and if anything, sticking around is less rational.

(July 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(July 27, 2012 at 12:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Try to remember dear Brit cousins that Romney was the least crazy of the lot seeking the GOP nomination. The rest of them were out of their fucking minds.

Well, I'd suggest Ron Paul has a reasonable amount of sanity. Far more than Obama in any case.

And you would be wrong. He's a fucking creationist moron who thinks big business should be allowed to ride roughshod over everyone else.

(July 27, 2012 at 2:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: He's a fucking creationist moron

Right, and that doesn't make him insane. It makes him slightly ignorant of a subset of science. He is certainly not anti-science, being a medical doctor after all.

Quote:who thinks big business should be allowed to ride roughshod over everyone else.

Bullshit. He openly supported the Occupy Wall St movement. He is pro-small business, and against the government holding up businesses that get too big for their own good.

If Ron Paul really was for big business, why don't big businesses donate to him? Look at Romney and Obama's biggest corporate donators, and then look at Ron Paul's.

Here: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contri...cycle=2012

(July 27, 2012 at 2:21 pm)Annik Wrote: I would just like to say that they have the right to leave the country in that case. It's not a lack of conviction. I won't sit in a place and be tortured (figure of speech) for 4 years if I can help it and if anything, sticking around is less rational.

Never said they didn't have the right. I only mean what I write, nothing else.

If you truly feel you're being tortured, then it sounds like you've met the below conditional:

(July 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Clearly this [country] isn't your favorite. Perhaps you can find something more suitable.

Enjoy AUS.