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Assault On Free Speech
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 (August 1, 2012 at 10:02 am)Rhythm Wrote: If Chick-Fil-A had been donating to Al-Qaeda, they would have been shut down/barred from establishment, and legally so. You really need to meet my friend hyperbole.
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RE: Assault On Free Speech
August 1, 2012 at 10:08 am
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2012 at 10:12 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Hyperbole, you mean the very thing I'm characterizing this as an issue of?
If you say - "The City of (so-and-so) is attempting to prevent me from establishing a business which is plainly and clearly lawful under the statues so and so (x40) set forth in such and such, as recognized by the State of (Wherever), and City of (BFE)" or "My right to free speech is being threatened!" Which do you think is going to make better headlines for the rags? Which will polarize people to one side of the issue or the other more thoroughly?
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RE: Assault On Free Speech
August 1, 2012 at 10:10 am
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(August 1, 2012 at 10:08 am)Rhythm Wrote: Hyperbole, you mean the very thing I'm characterizing this as an issue of? Then one of us is drunk, cause I'm not following you. (August 1, 2012 at 9:35 am)Stue Denim Wrote: I'm not saying that not being able to opens stores with illegal products is a necessarily a free speech issue (depends on the product =P), but it would be if they wanted to shut down/shut out your fast food chain based on your stated support for whorehouses being legal, legislative reform to that effect, and financial contributions to such causes, as is the case with chick-a-fil-a, then it most certainly is. If a town can prohibit bars & strip clubs in their area for moral reasons then it stands that same town can prohibit fast food restaurants that donate to (what the town considers) immoral causes. Let's not forget that Chik-fil-a is giving money to groups that have stated that "the government has a moral duty to legislate morality" It cuts both ways. (August 1, 2012 at 10:08 am)Rhythm Wrote: Hyperbole, you mean the very thing I'm characterizing this as an issue of? The first example doesn't give a reason & the second doesn't give a cause, but I really still can't see how either are hyperbole. The second example is true if you believe the bullshit that money = free speech.
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![[Image: freddy_03.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=s25.postimg.org%2Fuq1y7aapr%2Ffreddy_03.jpg) Quote: JohnDG... Quote:It was an awful mistake to characterize based upon religion. I should not judge any theist that way, I must remember what I said in order to change.  RE: Assault On Free Speech...and free enterprise!
August 1, 2012 at 3:52 pm
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(August 1, 2012 at 9:15 am)A Theist Wrote:(July 31, 2012 at 11:14 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: And yet Chick-fil-A have a right to abuse their position by forcing their religious and political positions on their customers.I'm opposed to vindictive elected officials who abuse their office to harass and undermine people with whom they disagree. Mr. Cathy simply stated his personal opinion which is protected by our Constitution. Whether or not his vocal support for traditional marriage is ethical or unethical is for his customers to decide not our elected office holders...and that applies to all protected speech. That would be an adequate answer if I had asked as question relating to the mayor. I did not. Let me phrase it a different way. Do you consider it acceptable that anyone elected or unelected use their business as a platform for a political or religious agenda to be shoved down their customers throats as opposed to following the simple process of supply and demand which is what the customers pay for. Is it not a severe violation of the obligation between supplier and consumer to provide an unbiased service to a market in demand of it? Does this conduct not qualify as severely unethical?
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- Abdul Alhazred. (August 1, 2012 at 3:52 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:I can oppose a lot of speech but that doesn't mean I have the right to stop it. It's not my call to tell a business owner what to do with his own business. But as a customer I have every right not to buy his goods if I don't find his political or religious speech acceptable.(August 1, 2012 at 9:15 am)A Theist Wrote: I'm opposed to vindictive elected officials who abuse their office to harass and undermine people with whom they disagree. Mr. Cathy simply stated his personal opinion which is protected by our Constitution. Whether or not his vocal support for traditional marriage is ethical or unethical is for his customers to decide not our elected office holders...and that applies to all protected speech.
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Quote: JohnDG... Quote:It was an awful mistake to characterize based upon religion. I should not judge any theist that way, I must remember what I said in order to change. 
It doesn't matter if the ACLU, your mama and your mama's titties backed Chik-fil-A. What matters is what the people of Boston want. Anti-gay sentiments are hate and we have a right to block organizations that spread hate from our city. Of course, the mayor is said to have backed down, which is a shame, but I guarantee the people of Boston will not make it easy for Chick-fil-A to open up anywhere around here. Gotta love town meeting style government.
(August 1, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Shell B Wrote: It doesn't matter if the ACLU, your mama and your mama's titties backed Chik-fil-A. What matters is what the people of Boston want. Anti-gay sentiments are hate and we have a right to block organizations that spread hate from our city. Of course, the mayor is said to have backed down, which is a shame, but I guarantee the people of Boston will not make it easy for Chick-fil-A to open up anywhere around here. Gotta love town meeting style government.Bullsh*t! Neither the people of Boston or your petty tyrant mayor have any legal right to stop a business from coming into the city just because the owner disagrees with your politics or worldview. Of course your petty tyrant mayor backed down. What he tried to do was illegal. The only right you have as a citizen is not to go into that business or buy the product. I really doubt that Chick-fil-A needs Boston or Chicago anyway. Be right back. Headed down to Chick-fil-A for dinner.
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Quote: JohnDG... Quote:It was an awful mistake to characterize based upon religion. I should not judge any theist that way, I must remember what I said in order to change.
Hehe, angry backwoods Republican much? As a citizen, I have the right to vote on whether a business can open up in my city or not. Towns and cities can and do block entry of certain businesses. At least my petty tyrant mayor isn't stymied by the idea of a cock in the ass, like you homegrown motherfuckers. People have butt sex. Fucking deal with it.
Enjoy your processed anger, battered and fried in sexual prudery. RE: Assault On Free Speech
August 1, 2012 at 7:57 pm
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(August 1, 2012 at 7:28 pm)A Theist Wrote: Bullsh*t!Ok, gotta ask. Whats up with that? Theres not a no swearing rule here. (August 1, 2012 at 5:30 pm)A Theist Wrote:(August 1, 2012 at 3:52 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: That would be an adequate answer if I had asked as question relating to the mayor. I did not.I can oppose a lot of speech but that doesn't mean I have the right to stop it. It's not my call to tell a business owner what to do with his own business. But as a customer I have every right not to buy his goods if I don't find his political or religious speech acceptable. Again, that was not an answer to the questions I was asking. If I was asking if you thought what the mayor did was right then it would be. If I asked if you have the right to order business owners around then alright. But those are not the questions I am asking. "Is it not a severe violation of the obligation between supplier and consumer to provide an unbiased service to a market in demand of it?" "Does this conduct not qualify as severely unethical?" Its that simple, thats all I'm asking. Everything else in the paragraph I wrote is just an explanation of those questions. If you don't want to answer those questions thats cool but at least tell me thats whats going on otherwise we're both wasting our time here.
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