(August 1, 2012 at 7:01 pm)catfish Wrote: Romans 2

But seriously, Romans 2:11 says that this god bitch doesn't show favoritism.



I'm sure this is contradicted in this stupid fucking book somewhere...

Nothing that anyone who believes in one particular brand of salvation (as opposed to another) couldn't weasel out of Alei.

One might qoute John, but the "who gives a shit" criticism applies as aptly to John as it does to Romans.

Quote:fish Wrote:I try my best to never tell someone they're wrong unless they make claims about me.

Me too,then lie....

From Boston Legal:

Allan Shore " Denny,aren't you afraid you'll die without anyone ever having really known you?"

Denny Crane "Hell No! I don't want people to really know me; I want them to know MY version!"


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For funenny in full flight: (just remember,Denny IS a Republican parody )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-3KnBiPqF4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THBeqVrho...37B57A671D

(August 1, 2012 at 6:44 pm)Napoleon Wrote: How then, will I find out about god. More to the point, how will I find out about the christian, biblical god. And what happens if I don't.

The truth is, this has been asked in a different form many times over.

Jesus didn't show up till as recent as 2000 years ago. What about the millions, possibly billions, of people that lived and died before the name of Jesus Christ had ever been spoken? Even after Christ supposedly lived and died - it wasn't like information was zipping around the planet. Billions more have died without ever having heard the name of Christ. The whole idea of everyone accepting some isolated desert deity who didn't even have the decency to visit the entire continent, let alone the entire globe is lunacy.

Jesus Christ:
Shows up late, as the human race had been around for thousands of years by the time he was born. Only stays a measly 30 years, 18 of which he is completely unaccounted for. He only does miracles for certain people. He only travels in the middle east and makes absolutely no attempt to visit neighboring continents. He doesn't tell the world about germs and disease or even how to fight gingivitis for that matter. He demands faith from everyone accept for his 12 closest friends who need no faith because they have the proof right in front of them. He makes an appeal not to judge others but than judges and condemns the entire human race simply for being born. And to top it all off, he claims that he sacrificed himself for the entire planet by "dying" on the cross for a sinful nature that his old man gave us. Meanwhile he rests comfortably in Heaven for 2000 years and no one has seen hide nor hair of him.



And yet somehow, the stupids are still signing up for membership every day.

(August 1, 2012 at 8:13 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Nothing that anyone who believes in one particular brand of salvation (as opposed to another) couldn't weasel out of Alei.

One might qoute John, but the "who gives a shit" criticism applies as aptly to John as it does to Romans.

Salvation in my book is not being a dumbass. I've yet to see a xtian weasel their way out of that.

Quote: But there are christians who believe you have to believe in god in order to get into heaven.

Indeed. They walk around mumbling "I believe" and think that gets them off the hook for acting like complete cunts the rest of the time.

Such an easy doctrine. No wonder it appeals to the dolts.

Option 4: Our lives or rather how we live our lives are a testament to not only who we are as people, but is a direct result of the condition of our hearts. this is what is being judged and subsequently this is what 'decides' where we spend eternity. Or did you think your 'choice' was a consciencous one?

(August 1, 2012 at 11:04 pm)Drich Wrote: Option 4: Our lives or rather how we live our lives are a testament to not only who we are as people, but is a direct result of the condition of our hearts. this is what is being judged and subsequently this is what 'decides' where we spend eternity. Or did you think your 'choice' was a consciencous one?

This is NOT what the large majority of Christians believe. This is a copout. It does not answer the question.
This is greasy rhetoric and you should be embarrassed for attempting to package it up and sell it to us.


Christianity: One god, one christ, one way. (unless it's not convenient and you start to look bad, right Drich?)

(August 1, 2012 at 11:11 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(August 1, 2012 at 11:04 pm)Drich Wrote: Option 4: Our lives or rather how we live our lives are a testament to not only who we are as people, but is a direct result of the condition of our hearts. this is what is being judged and subsequently this is what 'decides' where we spend eternity. Or did you think your 'choice' was a consciencous one?

This is NOT what the large majority of Christians believe. This is a copout. It does not answer the question.
This is greasy rhetoric and you should be embarrassed for attempting to package it up and sell it to us.


Christianity: One god, one christ, one way. (unless it's not convenient and you start to look bad, right Drich?)

Don't get your panties all in a bunch just because Christians don't all think alike.

(August 1, 2012 at 6:44 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I'm an isolated islander.

How then, will I find out about god. More to the point, how will I find out about the christian, biblical god. And what happens if I don't.

Would you have God prevent people from being born on isolated islands?

On a soberer note, let's take a look at a few relevant verses:
Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
Romans 9:16 "It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy."
Romans 10:14-18 "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”
So there are a couple guesses: (1) that God's grace is self-evident to humankind; (2) that the person on the island goes to hell. After all, they do not deserve heaven, nor do they deserve a 'fair' crack at it. We, the disobedient creation, are at the mercy of God's grace; (3) the condition of your heart when you stand before the gates--i.e. what you choose then. All will confess, as Isaiah 45:23 says, “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’” Those who confess because they want the reward of eternity in paradise will go to hell (they want heaven without God). Christians will be those who desire to be with Christ, rewards set aside.
In answer to what believers did before Christ, see Romans 4:3: “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” This is the same way Christians are saved in the New Testament. Have faith and God will forgive you. Since God transcends time, it doesn’t matter when Jesus made his atoning sacrifice, as long as he did. This ties in with option (1), that people can find God in his creation and subsequently put their trust in him.