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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 12:45 am
Meh, the manufactured accent isn't really all that troubling. Refusing to support a claim in a thread that is (supposedly) a primer on some form of logical discourse...now that;s troubling.
So, Vinny, I'm going to go ahead and assume that the answer to my question is "none". It wasn't important enough for you to substantiate the claim, so I'm just going to dismiss it as complete and utter garbage.
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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 12:55 am
(August 30, 2012 at 11:56 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: (August 30, 2012 at 11:30 pm)idunno Wrote: Does anyone believe the Logical PoE is a sound argument against Christianity?
Unsurprisingly, I dont.
I think the existence of good/evil supports Christian doctrine.
The atheist who thinks there's no such thing as good/evil has a much better developed atheology than the atheist who needs someone to blame FOR the existence and consequences of evil.
I would be interested to ask any atheist parents here, why/if they brought children into a world where they knew there is pain and evil. Is it moral to bring children into such a world?
This is one of the most thought provoking conclusions I came across in researching the moral argument: That we don't have a meaningful definition of good and evil without a necessary objectivizing source. Subjectivism, more so than anti-realism serves as such a poor source of real moral values that William Lane Craig's moral argument is rendered VERY powerful. Perhaps much more powerful than even he realizes because if he pressed the atheists he was debating, I'm sure he would be able to embarrass them immediately in front of the audience without even trotting out anything else.
Are you familiar with the logically possible/metaphysically possible paradigm?
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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 12:56 am
In regards to defining terms before proceeding I think that's standard protocol among philosophers, but it's something laymen don't tend to do which results in shifting. A lot of frustration can be avoided if this is done. As I've said before, I'm simply here to clarify Christian concepts (granting I'm informed on the subject), to clear up a little frustration with it.
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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 12:57 am
(August 31, 2012 at 12:45 am)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, the manufactured accent isn't really all that troubling. Refusing to support a claim in a thread that is (supposedly) a primer on some form of logical discourse...now that;s troubling.
So, Vinny, I'm going to go ahead and assume that the answer to my question is "none". It wasn't important enough for you to substantiate the claim, so I'm just going to dismiss it as complete and utter garbage.
What in the world are you talking about? Can you put your full position into a concise paragraph? I'll give it another shot if it's less schizophrenic. I don't know how to answer that line-by-line stuff.
Don't bore me. I'll stop taking you seriously and that won't be helpful.
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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 12:59 am
(August 31, 2012 at 12:56 am)idunno Wrote: In regards to defining terms before proceeding I think that's standard protocol among philosophers, but it's something laymen don't tend to do which results in shifting. A lot of frustration can be avoided if this is done. As I've said before, I'm simply here to clarify Christian concepts (granting I'm informed on the subject), to clear up a little frustration with it.
Knock yourself out. As long as you stay within the rules, you're welcome to discuss whatever you'd like. You might find some here make for a tough audience, however. 
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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 1:00 am
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2012 at 1:02 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You understood my question perfectly well not but two posts ago. My position, concisely stated (and I don't even need a paragraph), is that your claim was bullshit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 1:06 am
(August 31, 2012 at 12:59 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (August 31, 2012 at 12:56 am)idunno Wrote: In regards to defining terms before proceeding I think that's standard protocol among philosophers, but it's something laymen don't tend to do which results in shifting. A lot of frustration can be avoided if this is done. As I've said before, I'm simply here to clarify Christian concepts (granting I'm informed on the subject), to clear up a little frustration with it.
Knock yourself out. As long as you stay within the rules, you're welcome to discuss whatever you'd like. You might find some here make for a tough audience, however.
Yes I've seen that, and have utilized the ignore option. On that note, thanks for the respect. 
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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 7:23 am
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(August 30, 2012 at 8:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Then you probably don't want to know what I think of "philosophers."
Can you do this with your brain?
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Quod erat demonstrandum.
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RE: The Problem of Evil: A Primer for Atheists (pre-discusson)
August 31, 2012 at 9:12 am
It takes at least a masters in philosophy to do that. I've seen it.
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August 31, 2012 at 2:20 pm
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