(September 26, 2012 at 2:41 pm)A Theist Wrote: Both acts are unnatural and they erode our culture....and just because I oppose gay marriage doesn't mean I hate gay people...

Being gay is NOT unnatural... and how exactly is it eroding our culture?

(September 26, 2012 at 2:41 pm)A Theist Wrote: Both acts are unnatural and they erode our culture....

You do realise you're expressing your thoughts to people all over the world, right? Now tell me again about 'unnatural'. As for the second part of your statement, I await your evidence with eager anticipation.

(September 26, 2012 at 12:35 am)Blackrook Wrote: I hereby make an offer, a difficult one for me as a devout Catholic who believes that homosexuality is a serious personality defect and that homosexual acts are a mortal sin.

I will put that all aside and support the gay rights agenda, if, and only if, you agree to stop the genocide of the unborn that is killing 1.5 million innocent human beings per year.

Who will take me up on this very generous offer?

Hmmm, that's a tempting offer, but if we stop abortions, where will we atheists get our barbeque? Guys, as much as I like me some gays, we need to think this through before we accept his offer.

(September 26, 2012 at 2:58 pm)Tino Wrote: If we stop abortions, where will we atheists get our barbeque? Guys, as much as I like me some gays, we need to think this through before we accept his offer.

As far as I'm concerned, the only people who can tell me anything about my vagina and uterus are my husband (as of this time he would be the only potential baby-daddy, and that does mean he gets some say in these matters, though it is still ultimately my decision not his) and my doctor. No one else gets to tell me shit about my reproductive system.

A Theist Wrote:....and just because I oppose gay marriage doesn't mean I hate gay people...

What would you say to someone that claims not to hate black people but opposes them using the same water fountain as everyone else?

(September 26, 2012 at 3:03 pm)festive1 Wrote:

(September 26, 2012 at 2:58 pm)Tino Wrote: If we stop abortions, where will we atheists get our barbeque? Guys, as much as I like me some gays, we need to think this through before we accept his offer.

As far as I'm concerned, the only people who can tell me anything about my vagina and uterus are my husband (as of this time he would be the only potential baby-daddy, and that does mean he gets some say in these matters, though it is still ultimately my decision not his) and my doctor. No one else gets to tell me shit about my reproductive system.

Festive, please, your comments are not helping the delicate negotiations we have underway.

Now, Blackrook, I have been appointed to negotiate with you on behalf of all atheists. We would like to make a counter-offer. We will prohibit abortion on Tuesdays and Thursdays in exchange for your agreement to approve of gay marriage between really butch lesbians. It will be an historic first step - let us take it together. What do you say, my friend?

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(September 26, 2012 at 3:03 pm)festive1 Wrote:

(September 26, 2012 at 2:58 pm)Tino Wrote: If we stop abortions, where will we atheists get our barbeque? Guys, as much as I like me some gays, we need to think this through before we accept his offer.

As far as I'm concerned, the only people who can tell me anything about my vagina and uterus are my husband (as of this time he would be the only potential baby-daddy, and that does mean he gets some say in these matters, though it is still ultimately my decision not his) and my doctor. No one else gets to tell me shit about my reproductive system.

What about your OBGYN and your bikini-waxer?.

See? Your vag-commenting circle is bigger than you thought.

Well, I think homophobes are freaks of fucking nature. They should absolutely be shunned and shamed by any decent society, and not allowed the same rights as everyone else. Bigotry is unnatural. It's a learned behavior, and should be treated with contempt by compassionate, normal people.

(September 26, 2012 at 2:48 pm)frankiej Wrote:

(September 26, 2012 at 2:41 pm)A Theist Wrote: Both acts are unnatural and they erode our culture....and just because I oppose gay marriage doesn't mean I hate gay people...

Being gay is NOT unnatural... and how exactly is it eroding our culture?

I'm fairly sure that quite a lot of our culture was created by homosexuals.

(September 26, 2012 at 4:28 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(September 26, 2012 at 2:48 pm)frankiej Wrote: Being gay is NOT unnatural... and how exactly is it eroding our culture?

I'm fairly sure that quite a lot of our culture was created by homosexuals.

Nah....Christians. Even some of our oldest universities were founded by Christians, Harvard, Yale (Johnathan Edwards (1703-1758), whose sermon, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God", which ignited the First Great Awakening in the colonies was the universty's president, as was his grandson after him, Timothy Dwight (1752-1817), who helped spark the Second Great Awakening), Brown University, and Oberlin which was founded to train young men for the ministry to oppose slavery. Our culture is Christian, as noted by Lord Brice the 19th century English commentator on American culture, "Christianity in its Evangelical form is in fact understood to be, though not the legally established religion, yet the National religion". Many states constitutions even required that those who held public office had to be Christians.

Contributing to our culture is not an either/or thing. Neither is gay or Christian.