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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 10, 2012 at 8:58 pm
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Isn't it funny when people accuse others of 'playing god'? I mean, if it's really that easy to impersonate god, then he isn't so special, now is he? And then there are those people who won't use medicine because they think it interferes with god's plan (pretty sure they're rare...because they all died of plague...  ). How can a human invention defeat god so easily?
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 10, 2012 at 9:08 pm
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(October 10, 2012 at 4:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (October 10, 2012 at 12:58 pm)apophenia Wrote: Intelligent design would be fascinating if real, if only to give me a reason to go back into math. However it's not, for some surface reasons, but also deep ones that will likely not go away. The most important of which is the difficulty in determining what one means when one says that something "looks designed" in a way that is rigorous and usefully applicable. Next is that the intuition which powers the argument rests on a faulty and invalid syllogism. Intelligent design, even if true, will need a different logical foundation. And one of its worst issues is that even if you prove design, you still have no real evidence there is a designer behind it. I'm not completely persuaded by Humean skepticism of causality, but if all you've got is tail, you don't know if there's a dog attached to it. Design may demand a designer, but design itself cannot "cause" a designer to be. Jefferson thought that his deistic god simply started everything and stepped aside.
I love what Jefferson contributed to humanity as far as secularism and protection of dissent, but if alive today even he would not get a pass from me.
The word "intelligence" cannot be removed from a thinking cognition even if that "cognition" is picking up the dice and doesn't care where they land. It still requires something thinking to pick up the dice in the first place.
I put your definition with Jefferson's generic idea in the same catigory as even pantheists who claim that the universe is "intelligant".
All three still postulate that thinking does not require a material brain and evolution says otherwise. It is a dodge to say that this non material thinker is not intervening.
You sir, are a perfect example. Of what I don't know just yet, but I'm sure I'll think of something.
How simple ideas can go so wrong over such a short distance in your brain, if understood, would make the Tesseract obsolete.
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 10, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I like living in a meaningless universe.
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 11, 2012 at 12:28 am
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 11, 2012 at 12:37 am
Intelligent design: could we do better?
Hell yeah!
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 11, 2012 at 12:56 am
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 11, 2012 at 1:08 am
(October 11, 2012 at 12:37 am)IATIA Wrote: Intelligent design: could we do better?
Hell yeah!
A four year old with an Etch-A-Sketch could do better.
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 11, 2012 at 2:42 am
(October 10, 2012 at 3:06 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (October 10, 2012 at 7:49 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: Why not? Why don't you think it looks that way?
The better question is why do you think it does...
Go on, roll out the 'order of the universe' bullshit.
Scientists can't create one flower. Nature is creating them in countless numbers all the time. Who should get credit for being intelligent?
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 11, 2012 at 5:23 am
(October 11, 2012 at 2:42 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: (October 10, 2012 at 3:06 pm)Napoléon Wrote: The better question is why do you think it does...
Go on, roll out the 'order of the universe' bullshit.
Scientists can't create one flower. Nature is creating them in countless numbers all the time. Who should get credit for being intelligent?
Who's Nature?
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
October 11, 2012 at 5:54 am
(October 11, 2012 at 5:23 am)Ryantology Wrote: (October 11, 2012 at 2:42 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: Scientists can't create one flower. Nature is creating them in countless numbers all the time. Who should get credit for being intelligent?
Who's Nature? Good question.
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