How did the writings of the NT come to be?

I'm not sure these guys aren't poes, but they look legit to me:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03274a.htm Wrote:Those writings which possessed the unmistakable stamp and guarantee of Apostolic origin must from the very first have been specially prized and venerated, and their copies eagerly sought by local Churches and individual Christians of means, in preference to the narratives and Logia, or Sayings of Christ, coming from less authorized sources.
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Nearly all the New Testament writings were evoked by particular occasions, or addressed to particular destinations. But we may well presume that each of the leading Churches--Antioch, Thessalonica, Alexandria, Corinth, Rome--sought by exchanging with other Christian communities to add to its special treasure, and have publicly read in its religious assemblies all Apostolic writings which came under its knowledge.

In other words: they were written to be consumed by people far far away from the supposed origin of the myth, hence completely unverifiable, even in the first century.
Let's try to put present day names to those ancient places:
Antioch == South Turkey:

Thessalonica == Greece:

Alexandria == Egypt:

Corinth == Greece:

Rome == Italy:



Don't tell me the apostles, or witnesses of christ, wouldn't allow this, because they weren't there, where these writings were written, nor where they were read aloud to the new followers.

Ok, I'll give you that one of the original followers is claimed to have traveled to Rome, so he must have left some accounts along the way.... One man's word... we know how easy it is to misinterpret, to twist the meaning or for the original (or subsequent) story teller to add some embellishment.
Do I have to put the video to the Life of Brian, where he loses his shoe? I think it's been posted on this forum enough times, already!

Israel, where the christ myth originated, remained pretty much jew, in spite of all the "eye witnesses". Only the people from far away believed in the myth...
How convenient!



Here's where Nazareth/Jerusalem is (notice how far far away they are from the "leading churches"):

Quote:I'm not sure these guys aren't poes

They are just catholic morons.

Do you know why Paul (being the Apstole who) wrote to those far away churches? Because He actually seeded or started the church their. He spent the rest of His life (+/- 30 years) starting new churches. The letters he wrote were in respnse to issues that croped up while he was away at another city.

(October 19, 2012 at 11:31 am)Drich Wrote: Do you know why Paul (being the Apstole who) wrote to those far away churches? Because He actually seeded or started the church their. He spent the rest of His life (+/- 30 years) starting new churches. The letters he wrote were in respnse to issues that croped up while he was away at another city.

He started a church where?
And why isn't that one of the "leading churches"?

Who's to say he didn't draw inspiration for those writings from himself?
The account itself states:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle Wrote:while traveling on the road from Jerusalem to Damascus on a mission to "bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem", the resurrected Jesus appeared to him in a great light. He was struck blind, but after three days his sight was restored by Ananias of Damascus, and Paul began to preach that Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah and the Son of God.

What would you think of someone who would claim such a thing today?
hint: Van Gogh.

Would you trust them?
I know, I wouldn't trust their mental sanity.

(October 19, 2012 at 11:31 am)Drich Wrote: Do you know why Paul (being the Apstole who) wrote to those far away churches? Because He actually seeded or started the church their. He spent the rest of His life (+/- 30 years) starting new churches. The letters he wrote were in respnse to issues that croped up while he was away at another city.

Just like L. Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith.

(October 19, 2012 at 5:17 am)pocaracas Wrote: How did the writings of the NT come to be?

I'm not sure these guys aren't poes, but they look legit to me:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03274a.htm Wrote:Those writings which possessed the unmistakable stamp and guarantee of Apostolic origin must from the very first have been specially prized and venerated, and their copies eagerly sought by local Churches and individual Christians of means, in preference to the narratives and Logia, or Sayings of Christ, coming from less authorized sources.
[...]
Nearly all the New Testament writings were evoked by particular occasions, or addressed to particular destinations. But we may well presume that each of the leading Churches--Antioch, Thessalonica, Alexandria, Corinth, Rome--sought by exchanging with other Christian communities to add to its special treasure, and have publicly read in its religious assemblies all Apostolic writings which came under its knowledge.

In other words: they were written to be consumed by people far far away from the supposed origin of the myth, hence completely unverifiable, even in the first century.
Let's try to put present day names to those ancient places:
Antioch == South Turkey:

Thessalonica == Greece:

Alexandria == Egypt:

Corinth == Greece:

Rome == Italy:



Don't tell me the apostles, or witnesses of christ, wouldn't allow this, because they weren't there, where these writings were written, nor where they were read aloud to the new followers.

Ok, I'll give you that one of the original followers is claimed to have traveled to Rome, so he must have left some accounts along the way.... One man's word... we know how easy it is to misinterpret, to twist the meaning or for the original (or subsequent) story teller to add some embellishment.
Do I have to put the video to the Life of Brian, where he loses his shoe? I think it's been posted on this forum enough times, already!

Israel, where the christ myth originated, remained pretty much jew, in spite of all the "eye witnesses". Only the people from far away believed in the myth...
How convenient!



Here's where Nazareth/Jerusalem is (notice how far far away they are from the "leading churches"):

Sorry but your analogy does not hold up, first there were churches in Israel, second there was mass trade all through those areas. Rome made this easy by land with all the roads they built and sea travel had been going on for a very long time, so you see that part of the world had shrank because of the easier travel.

I by accidentally gave 1 rating to this thread. I didn't mean too...so if you are wondering who the hater is, don't wonder...

(October 19, 2012 at 12:02 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

Quote:He started a church where?

Rome, corinith, Galatia, ephusus, and everywhere inbetween
http://www.matthewmcgee.org/paultime.html

Quote:And why isn't that one of the "leading churches"?

Because theri isn't 'One form/denomination of christianity.'

Quote:Who's to say he didn't draw inspiration for those writings from himself?

God.

Quote:The account itself states:
[quote="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle"]while traveling on the road from Jerusalem to Damascus on a mission to "bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem", the resurrected Jesus appeared to him in a great light. He was struck blind, but after three days his sight was restored by Ananias of Damascus, and Paul began to preach that Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah and the Son of God.

What would you think of someone who would claim such a thing today?
hint: Van Gogh.

Would you trust them?

It completely depended on what he had to say.

Quote:I know, I wouldn't trust their mental sanity.

That is because you have aligned your value system on what you peers tell you is ok, rather than going out on a limb and judging for yourself.

(October 19, 2012 at 4:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 19, 2012 at 12:02 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

Quote:he started a church where?

Rome, corinith, Galatia, ephusus, and everywhere inbetween
http://www.matthewmcgee.org/paultime.html
And why isn't that one of the "leading churches"

Because theri isn't 'One form/denomination of christianity.'

There was when it first began.

Drich Wrote:

Quote:Who's to say he didn't draw inspiration for those writings from himself?

God.

It says so in the book. Who wants to bet that the Flying Spaghetti Monster could make a similar claim. Or, he [the person] could have had a mental disorder like schizophrenia.

Drich Wrote:

Quote:What would you think oThe account itself states:

[url Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle[/url]]while traveling on the road from Jerusalem to Damascus on a mission to "bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem", the resurrected Jesus appeared to him in a great light. He was struck blind, but after three days his sight was restored by Ananias of Damascus, and Paul began to preach that Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah and the Son of God.

If someone who would claim such a thing today?
hint: Van Gogh.

Would you trust them?

It completely depended on what he had to say.

Like tobacco, religion is hard to get rid of once you have it, but if society had never introduced either until today, both would surely recieve ridicule.

Drich Wrote:

Quote:I know, I wouldn't trust their mental sanity.

That is because you have aligned your value system on what you peers tell you is ok, rather than going out on a limb and judging for yourself.

Judging the ramblings of someone who has a serious mental disorder, and taking their absurd claims at face value? Seems a bit too credulous for brain's my taste.
(P.S. rated thread 4 stars to even it out)

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(October 19, 2012 at 3:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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(October 19, 2012 at 5:17 am)pocaracas Wrote: How did the writings of the NT come to be?

I'm not sure these guys aren't poes, but they look legit to me:

In other words: they were written to be consumed by people far far away from the supposed origin of the myth, hence completely unverifiable, even in the first century.
Let's try to put present day names to those ancient places:
Antioch == South Turkey:

Thessalonica == Greece:

Alexandria == Egypt:

Corinth == Greece:

Rome == Italy:



Don't tell me the apostles, or witnesses of christ, wouldn't allow this, because they weren't there, where these writings were written, nor where they were read aloud to the new followers.

Ok, I'll give you that one of the original followers is claimed to have traveled to Rome, so he must have left some accounts along the way.... One man's word... we know how easy it is to misinterpret, to twist the meaning or for the original (or subsequent) story teller to add some embellishment.
Do I have to put the video to the Life of Brian, where he loses his shoe? I think it's been posted on this forum enough times, already!

Israel, where the christ myth originated, remained pretty much jew, in spite of all the "eye witnesses". Only the people from far away believed in the myth...
How convenient!



Here's where Nazareth/Jerusalem is (notice how far far away they are from the "leading churches"):

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Sorry but your analogy does not hold up, first there were churches in Israel, second there was mass trade all through those areas. Rome made this easy by land with all the roads they built and sea travel had been going on for a very long time, so you see that part of the world had shrank because of the easier travel.

100 years ago, there were places in this country (Portugal) where old roman roads (yes, the real 2000 year old things) were the best the people had to go somewhere. Back then, it was common for people never to travel more than 50km away from their home town/village.

My claim is that none of the original witnesses would have, most likely, never traveled to where these "leading churches" were located. Thus, there was no way to verify/discredit the writings they received from any self-entitled authority on the subject.
People believed what they wanted to believe... The story was good and appealed to human decency. That's why it stuck.