This has come up several times between myself and Drich, as he lacks the wits to realize he paints himself into a corner every time he attempts to justify the crimes God encourages, or directly commits. So, I'd like to address it as its own topic, as it usually comes up within others.

If you are a Christian (at least in the slavish and mindless way Drich is), you are compelled to accept two things:

1: God is all-knowing, all-powerful, everywhere at once. He is the very quintessence of 'good'. He is the ultimate morality. He is the ultimate righteousness.
2. The Bible, and everything in it, are indefatigable truth and must be accepted without doubt or question as factual.

Drich argues the first point frequently, in several contexts. If you point out to him that God is documented, in scripture, as wiping out millions of people without mercy, he will tell you that God is not beholden to Man's morality, as if Man's morality is inferior to that held by someone guilty of genocide.

If one reads the Bible without their critical thinking functions blunted by faith, it is impossible to justify loyalty to God on the basis that he is good and moral, unless you are willing to profess that the actions his own allegedly indisputable text indicts him of are also good and moral actions.

If you are a true Christian, you have to read this list and say, with a straight face, that everything in that list is a good and moral action, because every single crime in there was either perpetrated directly by God himself, perpetrated by men acting under God's direct orders, or done with God's implicit blessing. It is, in fact, not extreme at all to pin every crime ever committed on the creator being who can stop all of it at any time he desires, because it is clear that he desires evil in the world. He would not allow it to exist otherwise. If you refuse to do this, your faith in God is obviously not total, and according to guys like Drich, a lack of total servility to God means you're not going to Heaven.

If you are a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim, or any other sect who pledges his or her soul to Yahweh, you are aiding and abetting a criminal. Which makes you no better than that criminal.

Christians do NOT celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.

Quote:If one reads the Bible without their critical thinking functions blunted by faith, it is impossible to justify loyalty to God on the basis that he is good and moral, unless you are willing to profess that the actions his own allegedly indisputable text indicts him of are also good and moral actions.

Wanna put your money where your mouth is and do something other than special pleading an OPINION?

What opinion would that be?

I stated a pair of facts. Can you dispute either of them? How do you justify your celebration of God's crimes? You, personally, do every day. Praising God is the moral equivalent of praising Hitler.

Christians do NOT celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
Thats a fact.
(...since were just flinging stuff at each other)

Oh, I see, you saw the title and forgot that a lot of times, titles precede posts which more thoroughly explain them.

Woah watch out for the hard core Christians.

(November 4, 2012 at 4:42 pm)Ryantology Wrote: If you are a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim, or any other sect who pledges his or her soul to Yahweh, you are aiding and abetting a criminal. Which makes you no better than that criminal.

what about the "Fiestas de Moros y Cristianos" in spain - "festival of moors and christians" - this celibrates the requoncista - which was a brutal 700 years war. or is taht a bit far fetched?

point is, one cant deny horrible things in the bible, but are there christian traditions today which celebrate inhuman historical events? just asking.

(November 4, 2012 at 7:08 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Christians do NOT celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.
Thats a fact.
(...since were just flinging stuff at each other)

Actually Ryan offered up a link to back up his assertions, therefore as I see it, it is you sir (and I use the term extremely loosely) who is just flinging stuff around here.


Is this just one of hundreds of examples you were looking for?

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Your god prefers the boys on his team to have a healthy dose of pussy after every battle ... consenting or otherwise.


Filthy apologist show your head in 4...3...2...

(November 4, 2012 at 8:00 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: what about the "Fiestas de Moros y Cristianos" in spain - "festival of moors and christians" - this celibrates the requoncista - which was a brutal 700 years war. or is taht a bit far fetched?

point is, one cant deny horrible things in the bible, but are there christian traditions today which celebrate inhuman historical events? just asking.

Everytime a fundie sees a rainbow, they will give thanks and remember that it is the beauty of Gods promise (they leave off gods promise to what??). Gods promise not to murder nearly every living thing on the planet again!! Well, using a flood anyway. He can do it other ways though (left himself a nice loophole there, lol).