(November 19, 2012 at 9:32 am)Daniel Wrote: Downbeat, JW's aren't Christians FYI, so the point you made is moot.

I know you'd like to have that cake and get to eat it too but you have a dilemma. Either you get on the same Christian bus and sing Kumbaya with the rest of them, or you stay with the critical thinkers and recognize just how ridiculous any particular aspect of (an uncritically held) faith can look to those not drinking the kool aid.

If they think they are christians who are you to contradict them.

Quote:Jehovah's Witnesses is a millenialist restorationist Christian denomination

The Arbitrator of Christendom, a seemingly un-elected position claimed by so many christians on these boards alone that they've got to be standing asshole to elbow in that office..wherever it is.

If they believe in the dead jew on a stick they are christians as far as I'm concerned.

JW's are not xtians? What is this, Opposite Day again already - doesn't time fly?

Let's see how they describe themselves:

Quote:Jehovah’s Witnesses—Who Are We?

We come from hundreds of ethnic and language backgrounds, yet we are united by common goals. Above all, we want to honor Jehovah, the God of the Bible and the Creator of all things. We do our best to imitate Jesus Christ and are proud to be called Christians. Each of us regularly spends time helping people learn about the Bible and God’s Kingdom. Because we witness, or talk, about Jehovah God and his Kingdom, we are known as Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Yup, definitely not xtians.

(November 15, 2012 at 6:02 am)Darnem Wrote: Why do you push your religion of Atheism on others when there is no evidence that God doesn't exist?

Couldn't think of a more impolite way to ask this question? I'm not going to bother to read the thread, I already know it goes straight to 'why are you atheists so mean?'. They always say that, and always leave the 'just because I'm being such an asshole?' part out. Did you visit a site on how to piss off atheists before coming here, or are you an atheist troll who knows just how to be most irritating?

Let's analyze your 'question' for a minute, though.

1. You tell us atheism is a religion. You even capitalize it.
2. You tell us we push it, even though we're just minding our own business on an atheist forum.
3. You finish off with an argument from ignorance: lack of evidence of nonexistence is evidence of existence.

That doesn't even add up to a question, just a Groucho Marx 'have you stopped beating your wife?' attempt at a 'gotcha'.

Just a reminder to everyone that we do get the occasional Christian with sincere questions who is actually interested in a dialogue, they aren't all trolls just because we get more than our share.

(November 19, 2012 at 9:32 am)Daniel Wrote: Downbeat, JW's aren't Christians FYI, so the point you made is moot.

Yeah, and according to Protestants, Catholics aren't Christians. And according to Catholics, Protestants aren't Christians. And according to-

Fuck this, I'm gonna just cut to the quick, here: How are you SO so sure that you're an actual Christian, hm?

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(November 19, 2012 at 7:21 am)Darnem Wrote: I respect anyone for their beliefs on one condition:
They don't try to force their beliefs on others. And that includes actively trying to prove that someone elses beliefs are wrong.

I came here with a simple question and was met with a barrage of hate. I am still convinced that, out there somewhere, there are Atheists that are decent people and that are able to gain my respect but you guys are just killing that hope.
ITT: Angry Atheists.

Good. Hopefully you'll grow up with such an aversion to atheists that you'll leave them the fuck alone. Seriously, what did you expect?? When people say something patently stupid, the general reaction tends to be overwhelmingly negative, have you never noticed??

It's like if someone came up to you and started saying "1+1 = 11. This is very true; prove to me it isn't." What would your reaction be?

(November 19, 2012 at 9:32 am)Daniel Wrote: Downbeat, JW's aren't Christians FYI, so the point you made is moot.

Are you legit Daniel?

(November 19, 2012 at 3:13 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: It's like if someone came up to you and started saying "1+1 = 11. This is very true; prove to me it isn't." What would your reaction be?

Actually, in some programming languages, if you represent each "1" as a string, the sum of the two strings will concatenate them, giving the result: "11". But then the numerical content of the symbol '1' is completely absent. It's just as "A" + "A" = "AA".

Quote:...For these reasons, any numbers estimating the size of the secular demographic are going to be generalizations that fail to fully capture the country's religious diversity. But even the conservative estimate of Secular Americans – 15 percent – represents almost fifty million people, a noteworthy demographic bloc. This is a group that outnumbers the combined populations of American Methodists (about eleven million), Lutherans (nine million), Pentecostals (eight million), Presbyterians (five million), Jews (three million), Episcopalians (three million), Mormons (three million), and Muslims (1.4 million). All of these religious groups together would not outnumber a conservative estimate of America's secular population!

— by David Niose