I'm sorry, I seem to have missed some gems? Gods in the habit of correcting the course of something he set into motion? Did he point the boat in the wrong fucking direction or something? Cheap ass christian knock-offs......

(November 27, 2012 at 10:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm sorry, I seem to have missed some gems? Gods in the habit of correcting the course of something he set into motion? Did he point the boat in the wrong fucking direction or something? Cheap ass christian knock-offs......

So, wait...
Slowing human progress = correcting course?
...jerk.
(Still not as bad as the flood, though. EDIT: Oooh...I could write a whole thread on the flood...maybe...)

Guess we were getting too uppity.

(November 27, 2012 at 10:23 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Option one: help your people improve farming and herding habits
Option two: have you people kill everybody else and take their stuff
Both are equally effective to an omnipotent god, so...the genocide was unnecessary. And about the lineage of christ: why did it matter his lineage, couldn't god easily put Jesus into anyone? (Or did he make some promise to put him in a specific family?)

You are missing the biggest reason geneocide was the best option at that time. It keeps the other tribes/people from raping and murdering your people Because they have option one. It literally put the fear of God into everyone in that region. It also stops subsequent generations from comming back and destroying what God has built. Look at the nation of Islam. It is the biggest opposition to Christianity, and it was spured off of one of the sons of Abraham just like Judaism. God allowed it to flourish even though it offers so much opposition against God. One can only imagine that these other people if left unchecked would have destroyed some part of God's Plan. Their was a reason, even if we are not privy to it.

"We had to engage in preemptive genocide. Those people are rapists!"

No one appears to have had the fear of god instilled in them except the dolts who fancied themselves gods BFF's. Subsequent generations were prevented from "destroying what god had built"? You need to check your history books again, god built nothing, and the neighbors ran roughshod over the region at their leisure. Islam demands submission to god, btw, get your shit together.

(November 28, 2012 at 10:22 am)Rhythm Wrote: No one appears to have had the fear of god instilled in them except the dolts who fancied themselves gods BFF's.

Are you now somehow able to speak for the men and women who died? And are you able to speak for those who watched or heard of the destruction Israel caused in that time?

Quote:Subsequent generations were prevented from "destroying what god had built"? You need to check your history books again, god built nothing, and the neighbors ran roughshod over the region at their leisure.

We are not talking subsequent generations. We are speaking for those who lived in the time these events happened.

Quote:Islam demands submission to god, btw, get your shit together.

Not the God of the bible, their own version of God.

(November 28, 2012 at 11:04 am)Drich Wrote: Are you now somehow able to speak for the men and women who died? And are you able to speak for those who watched or heard of the destruction Israel caused in that time?

Yes and No. Yes in that we know that this is a fairy tale, so I can speak for all of the people (which would be none) that this affected. No, because it's difficult to determine what groups of people who never existed thought about an event that never happened...except..of course...for those who believed that it did...and those people seem to be awfully fucking terrified by the lord. You'd be a great example of that.

Quote:We are not talking subsequent generations. We are speaking for those who lived in the time these events happened.

Which would be no one, because these events did not happen.

Quote:Not the God of the bible, their own version of God.

Which is still the god of the bible. Sure, they have their own spin on that god, but so do you. Neither of you can establish anything about this god as a matter-of-fact in the first place. So bitching about others giving this character their spin while you simultaneously give it your own is an empty criticism.

(November 28, 2012 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote: You are missing the biggest reason geneocide was the best option at that time. It keeps the other tribes/people from raping and murdering your people Because they have option one. It literally put the fear of God into everyone in that region. It also stops subsequent generations from comming back and destroying what God has built.

So instead of sharing knowledge and having a peaceful relationship with your neighbors, it's better to utterly destroy them.
Wow. You'd have made something of yourself in Hitler's SS.

Quote: Look at the nation of Islam. It is the biggest opposition to Christianity, and it was spured off of one of the sons of Abraham just like Judaism. God allowed it to flourish even though it offers so much opposition against God. One can only imagine that these other people if left unchecked would have destroyed some part of God's Plan. Their was a reason, even if we are not privy to it.

So, instead of showing them that there is no god and that islam is a con game just like christianity, we had best kill them and dash their babies' heads against the stones. Is that correct?

Is this the morals you get from your god?

(November 28, 2012 at 10:13 am)Drich Wrote:

(November 27, 2012 at 10:23 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Option one: help your people improve farming and herding habits
Option two: have you people kill everybody else and take their stuff
Both are equally effective to an omnipotent god, so...the genocide was unnecessary. And about the lineage of christ: why did it matter his lineage, couldn't god easily put Jesus into anyone? (Or did he make some promise to put him in a specific family?)

You are missing the biggest reason geneocide was the best option at that time. It keeps the other tribes/people from raping and murdering your people Because they have option one. It literally put the fear of God into everyone in that region. It also stops subsequent generations from comming back and destroying what God has built. Look at the nation of Islam. It is the biggest opposition to Christianity, and it was spured off of one of the sons of Abraham just like Judaism. God allowed it to flourish even though it offers so much opposition against God. One can only imagine that these other people if left unchecked would have destroyed some part of God's Plan. Their was a reason, even if we are not privy to it.

It's a good thing your all-powerful God can simply snap his fingers and make everyone friends! He has that ability!

Which is more proof that God intentionally fans the flames when peace is an option, and the only reasons why that could be is that he is either completely insane or he gets a divine hard-on from the spilling of blood. Or both, of course.

(November 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm)Brakeman Wrote: When you guys were christian, how did you handle the incongruities of the Tower of Babel story?

You know..
Heaven is in the sky and that bronze age men built a tower super high. God was afraid that mankind might sneak into heaven.

All of mankind spoke one language before the tower building and all known languages were created immediately proceeding the tiff.

Where the h*ll is the Tower?

How high could it have really been? If it was only 3 or 4 stories high, why would god have cared when he supposedly knew that in about four thousand more years mankind would make it beyond the moon.

the tower of babel means the tower of confusion: There is no literal tower but the meaning of this story is God decided if man could overcome the confusion he had of God he would repent (return) to his original state of consciousness which was God consciousness: Since man's purpose is to uplift the lower levels of consciousness, their desire to leave this work and return was prohibited just like a person wouldn't be able to leave the military just because he didn't want to finish his course. Jesus explain those who are outside of the Kingdom (those who have not returned to the inner state of God consciousness) are kept blind so they can't repent or return. In short the Bible is a code that explains those who had a higher consciousness were made to return to a lower level because they agreed to help the lower level rise up higher. Once they put in their time, and come to the end of their generation or doing their time, they can return. I returned!