(December 30, 2012 at 2:12 am)whateverist Wrote: You're right. Something doesn't come from nothing. Everything comes from prior conditions of something else. The stage was never empty. If anything can always have been, I choose matter/energy/time/space in all its manifestations rather than something as suspect as gods which may only have ever existed in the mind of man as far as anyone can show.

That's too bad you'll have to live in fairy tale land since in Reality Infinite Regression is Impossible and The Universe is Proven to Begin.

infinite universe has been disproven a long time ago, please tell me, did you start to exist, did your mind start to exist, did you start to think? if so, then things can begin to exist and universe did that as proven with Infinite Regression, Big Bang and BVG, all Irrefutable, Reality(God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) says hello.


Also would you please count down from infinity to zero please?

The beginning of the Universe doesn`t mean the begining of "existance".


What do you think the people at Cern are looking for?
They are looking for what happened before the big bang, and they are making pritty well progress.

Well, its getting late out here gang.

This schmuck is a true lightweight so I leave him in your hands.

(December 30, 2012 at 2:27 am)Minimalist Wrote: So we have established in your first line that you don't know

Prove it.

(December 30, 2012 at 2:27 am)Minimalist Wrote: shit

Why curse? what did I do to you for this treatment? did I curse and be condescending towards you like that?

why do that? you only look foolish, you don't look cool, there was no purpose to it, etc, want to get your anger out of me and The Bible which shows insecurity.

(December 30, 2012 at 2:27 am)Minimalist Wrote: about your own fucking bible.

So you disrespect a book of Peace like that, so you are an advocate against violence and sin I assume.

I just got up.

The last thing I`ll do on a sunday morning, is this.

So goodbye aswell.

(December 30, 2012 at 2:33 am)SavedByChrist94 Wrote: That's too bad you'll have to live in fairy tale land since in Reality Infinite Regression is Impossible and The Universe is Proven to Begin.

infinite universe has been disproven a long time ago, please tell me, did you start to exist, did your mind start to exist, did you start to think? if so, then things can begin to exist and universe did that as proven with Infinite Regression, Big Bang and BVG, all Irrefutable, Reality(God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) says hello.

Sure this universe -if by that you mean everything associated with the most recent, most local singularity event- had a beginning. So did I. However, I did not come into existence from nothing at all. If you care to take the trouble, you can track every particle in my body to various earlier states of matter. Hell, go back far enough and you can find the point at which early large stars cooked simpler matter into heavier elements. So no, I did not come from nothing even though I clearly had a beginning. The universe too came from earlier states of something else (so long as "something" is understood in a very general way).

You still haven't shown how something you call 'gods' can always have existed if the stuff of the universes can't do the same. Defining gods as having the necessary mojo doesn't deserve a response. Gods -if there truly is anything that word refers to- can't be an exception to the rule just on your say so. If the universes must have beginnings, then so must your god. If gods don't need a beginning then you can't rule out the possibility that the stuff of the universes don't either. If you're right about gods not needing a beginning then I can't accept that the stuff of the unvierses does either. (You're not really being coherent here.)

I'll respond with what I did over on .com, though I see a few points that I, in a clearer state of mind (feeling nauseas right now), would've made better:

Click Here.

I have been rather thorough and I am tired. Pro tip:

-Don't make massive posts like that, it's rather rude and especially when it almost entirely lacks any substantive content (and lacks any valid ones, regardless).

-Break up your posts. Start with 1 or 2 arguments, not a massive bonanza.

All you've done here is constant God of the Gaps arguing, misrepresentations, quote-mining and attempts to Define Away the need to explain why the universe is different than the god you propose.

Child's play...

Now serving #95.....

I need an e-book for this thread.

(December 30, 2012 at 1:49 am)SavedByChrist94 Wrote: The Bible(40 Different witnesses, Approx. 60 Accounts, no Contradiction, No error, Scientific Foreknowledge, Historical Foreknowledge, Scientific Accuracy, Historical Accuracy, which means whether you like it or not, these witnesses and their accounts are valid for testing in Court of Law, and as proven All Accounts are Accurate and True.)

Jesus Christ Resurrection is The Only Explanation of the Facts, All other theories have been disproven and rendered Impossible, leaving only One possiblity(Resurrection) which means He really Resurrected from the dead.


The Shroud, no evidence of forgery, not a painting, has blood, x-ray like image, cannot be reproduced with any technology past or present therefore not man made/forged and is supernatural, caused by a burst of UV light from the body, crucified person who resembles Historical Jesus Christ to a tee.

Already with this Jesus Christ is The Lord/God and God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit)
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Aliens. It was all done by aliens.