Apparently not as clear as you think judging from the way women are treated in the Islamic world. You have to admit that there are significant variations but they all point to the Big Book as validation for their positions. In much the same way as xtianity has splintered into 30,000+ sects.

There is a little too much human "interpretation" in all of this shit for my taste.

(January 3, 2013 at 1:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Apparently not as clear as you think judging from the way women are treated in the Islamic world. You have to admit that there are significant variations but they all point to the Big Book as validation for their positions. In much the same way as xtianity has splintered into 30,000+ sects.

There is a little too much human "interpretation" in all of this shit for my taste.

Rightio brother.

Will the real Islam please stand up?

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Welcome, ThatMuslimGuy.

Islam seems to have a real problem in Salafism, even more of a problem than Christianity has with fundamentalism. Other than that, Muslims seem pretty much like any other religious people, including the part where they all think they have the correct interpretation of their scriptures and and any co-religionists who interpret them differently are doing it wrong.

I'm privileged to have many good religious friends in my life, including many Muslims, thanks to my involvement with refugees. I am quick to defend them against over-generalizations, but don't pretend to be the arbiter of what is and isn't Islamic.

(January 3, 2013 at 5:05 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Welcome, ThatMuslimGuy.

Islam seems to have a real problem in Salafism, even more of a problem than Christianity has with fundamentalism. Other than that, Muslims seem pretty much like any other religious people, including the part where they all think they have the correct interpretation of their scriptures and and any co-religionists who interpret them differently are doing it wrong.

I'm privileged to have many good religious friends in my life, including many Muslims, thanks to my involvement with refugees. I am quick to defend them against over-generalizations, but don't pretend to be the arbiter of what is and isn't Islamic.

Not just salafism. Islam has the very basic problem that there isnt an organisation for secular or modest islamic worshipping. There are secular and moderate muslims, but they are way to few at this point in time. The salafis remain the absolute biggest threat to direct human security, but it will take heavy deeds to open up secular mosques etc. Just recently, a homosexual mosque was opened in France.

(January 3, 2013 at 5:05 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Welcome, ThatMuslimGuy.

Islam seems to have a real problem in Salafism, even more of a problem than Christianity has with fundamentalism. Other than that, Muslims seem pretty much like any other religious people, including the part where they all think they have the correct interpretation of their scriptures and and any co-religionists who interpret them differently are doing it wrong.

I'm privileged to have many good religious friends in my life, including many Muslims, thanks to my involvement with refugees. I am quick to defend them against over-generalizations, but don't pretend to be the arbiter of what is and isn't Islamic.

You raised a good point their brother. Think ive got away with myself. I'm no scholar or sheik. Everything i say is just what i have learnt from scholars and sheik's. Everything i say is my current viewpoint based on the available evidences from the Qur'an.

(January 5, 2013 at 3:45 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote:

(January 3, 2013 at 5:05 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Welcome, ThatMuslimGuy.

Islam seems to have a real problem in Salafism, even more of a problem than Christianity has with fundamentalism. Other than that, Muslims seem pretty much like any other religious people, including the part where they all think they have the correct interpretation of their scriptures and and any co-religionists who interpret them differently are doing it wrong.

I'm privileged to have many good religious friends in my life, including many Muslims, thanks to my involvement with refugees. I am quick to defend them against over-generalizations, but don't pretend to be the arbiter of what is and isn't Islamic.

You raised a good point their brother. Think ive got away with myself. I'm no scholar or sheik. Everything i say is just what i have learnt from scholars and sheik's. Everything i say is my current viewpoint based on the available evidences from the Qur'an.

mmmh from the Quran, but I didn't think a Muslim can be a Muslim from the Qur'an alone, what about the Hadiths and Sunna. And are you fluent in Arabian because I thought the Qur'an can only be read and understood properly in that form. And to the scholars and sheik's limit themselves to what the Quran says?

(January 5, 2013 at 5:36 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(January 5, 2013 at 3:45 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: You raised a good point their brother. Think ive got away with myself. I'm no scholar or sheik. Everything i say is just what i have learnt from scholars and sheik's. Everything i say is my current viewpoint based on the available evidences from the Qur'an.

mmmh from the Quran, but I didn't think a Muslim can be a Muslim from the Qur'an alone, what about the Hadiths and Sunna. And are you fluent in Arabian because I thought the Qur'an can only be read and understood properly in that form. And to the scholars and sheik's limit themselves to what the Quran says?

Ok. I apologise, and the authentic hadiths and the sunnah of the prophet. But the Qur'an is always the first place to find evidences. Then the Sunnah. The Qur'an is only fully understood in arabic. I am currently learning Arabic.

Quote:The Qur'an is only fully understood in arabic. I am currently learning Arabic.

Does this mean you dont fully understand your own beliefs yet?

(January 5, 2013 at 8:40 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

Quote:The Qur'an is only fully understood in arabic. I am currently learning Arabic.

Does this mean you dont fully understand your own beliefs yet?

By that do you mean Islam? No i don't understand every aspect of Islam completely. Its a very large religion with many topics and would takes years and years and still wouldn't know everything. so no. But i understand the basics of my belief.