LOL, sounds like magic...so...what happened to the guy Min linked to? Was he not around brothers or islam? "Something" appears to have crossed his mind...crossed it, at about 200mph, and went straight on to dicking a little boy, in fact...insha'allah
(the little boy clearly needed dicking btw- couldn't have went down against the will of allah......all that)

(January 6, 2013 at 12:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, sounds like magic...so...what happened to the guy Min linked to? Was he not around brothers or islam? "Something" appears to have crossed his mind...crossed it, at about 200mph, and went straight on to dicking a little boy, in fact...insha'allah

Response: What the person did is not taught in islam. So it does not reflect islam.

Then neither does whatever justice people might seek or extract. To be blunt, what muslims do is the -only- thing that reflects islam, but I understand why you have an interest in distancing yourself from some of the things that muslims do (in the same way that I like to distance myself for what other human beings do).

By your own fairy tales though, such incidents do directly reflect on the will of your god, so make your stand on justice there, if you like.

rhythm. was just telling what i experienced. not anyone else. why so chewy. the guy asked for personal stories i gave mine. nothing to do with other peoples or teachings of islam

(January 6, 2013 at 12:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Then neither does whatever justice people might seek or extract. To be blunt, what muslims do is the -only- thing that reflects islam, but I understand why you have an interest in distancing yourself from some of the things that muslims do (in the same way that I like to distance myself for what other human beings do).

By your own fairy tales though, such incidents do directly reflect on the will of your god, so make your stand on justice there, if you like.

Response: To the contrary, what is done in accordance to the teachings of islam reflects islam. So violent or degrading acts that are not taught in islam does not reflect Allah or islam. Thus if you were truly making a stand for justice, you wouldn't call what is just as unjust.

Your experience seems to have been different from at least one other persons experience. It's not so much an issue of being "chewy" as an issue of explaining - in a fantastically and wildly demonstrative way- that your experience of islam and temptation is clearly no indicator of islam (or it's ability to suppress temptation). In other words, something -other than islam as it's own entity- is at play, when one muslim screws a little boy and another does not. Islam doesn't appear to be very consistent in achieving the effect you describe (and then attribute to it, and to fellowship within it)...and I submit that the difference between you and said boy fucker is a personal one, and not a difference of the level of fellowship or immersion in islam.

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(January 6, 2013 at 12:40 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Response: To the contrary, what is done in accordance to the teachings of islam reflects islam. So violent or degrading acts that are not taught in islam does not reflect Allah or islam. Thus if you were truly making a stand for justice, you wouldn't call what is just as unjust.

Similarly, what is done by muslims -in spite of- the teachings of islam also reflects on islam - most directly, on islams inability to compel it's adherents to act according to what they continually claim is the will of god. On the same token, is there something that happens in the world that is not the will of god? Something, not being the will of god, that then wouldn't reflect on that will...please, do tell me, muslim, what happens that god does not will. Perhaps a short list?

This is such a common dodge it's become one of the most annoying ones, to me. The faithful are always willing to grasp for whatever "the good shit" is ( or whatever they seem to be of the opinion the good shit is anyway)...but always desperate to excuse their faith and their god for "the bad shit". No dice.

i never said it was indicator of islam. again its my personal experience.

(January 6, 2013 at 12:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Similarly, what is done by muslims -in spite of- the teachings of islam also reflects on islam - most directly, on islams inability to compel it's adherents to act according to what they continually claim is the will of god. On the same token, is there something that happens in the world that is not the will of god? Something, not being the will of god, that then wouldn't reflect on that will...please, do tell me, muslim, what happens that god does not will. Perhaps a short list?

This is such a common dodge it's become one of the most annoying ones, to me. The faithful are always willing to grasp for whatever "the good shit" is ( or whatever they seem to be of the opinion the good shit is anyway)...but always desperate to excuse their faith and their god for "the bad shit". No dice.

Response: If saying that islam can be defined by acts that are not taught in islam, then non-muslim ideologies can be defined the same way, according to your own logic. Therefore, the raping of a boy by a muslim is also a reflection of your own ideology. So you have no argument.

It's a reflection of human behavior, and crosses all ideologies (and what are our ideologies..except more examples of human behavior). But nice try. The difference between you and I here, is that I have no trouble accepting this, whereas you are desperate to avoid it. Muslims, christians, hindus and atheists......you'll find a boy fucker in every group. It reflects poorly on us all, your little tribe doesn't get excused just-because.

(January 6, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's a reflection of human behavior, and crosses all ideologies (and what are our ideologies..except more examples of human behavior). But nice try. The difference between you and I here, is that I have no trouble accepting this, whereas you are desperate to avoid it. Muslims, christians, hindus and atheists......you'll find a boy fucker in every group. It reflects poorly on us all, your little tribe doesn't get excused just-because.

Response: Then if it reflects poorly on all of us, then you shouldn't take issue with islam, but your own beliefs as well. So crticquing others when you have the same problem makes no sense.