Response: My response to your response to my initial response to your first question will be that I really have no response at this time.
Thank you and feel free to respond.
Thank you and feel free to respond.
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Response: My response to your response to my initial response to your first question will be that I really have no response at this time.
Thank you and feel free to respond. (January 8, 2013 at 7:16 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote:(January 8, 2013 at 7:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote: And exactly what would be the point be if we did agree? You are arguing about baby ratios. And the title is sex before marriage. I cant imagine that it wouldn't have anything to do with how Islam has shaped your view on marriage or sex before marriage.
Coming in late, and clearly the topic has wandered, but I'm familiar with a certain group of Muslims, Bantu refugees from Somalia, and found them to be exceptionally modest and serious about no sex before marriage. I've never noted a single girl pregnant before marriage...her entire family would be shamed, and shunned, to the point of them having to move. The girls don't let boys hug them because it could lead to kissing. The boys would bring similar shame if they were discovered to be having sex.
I've seen similar in a particularly tight-knit conservative African-American Christian community, to the point of no kissing before marriage. It's unsusual, but it exists. I would say that it takes a close and committed religous community that overlaps families and friendships and highly values saving sex for marriage. It pretty much has to be your world. And of course, it won't be 100%, I'm just saying that there are groups where you CAN tell abstinence before marriage is taken really seriously. RE: sex before marriage
January 8, 2013 at 8:36 pm
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(January 8, 2013 at 6:09 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Thus proving my point. Thanks for the assistance. ...what? You said: Al-Fatihah Wrote:Regarding 4 wives, the purpose of multiple wives in islam is based on the idea to protect women since men are to be the providers and protectors of women. The rule of 4 wives came at a time when there was no limit to having wives so if it was based on lust, then a limitation would have never been placed. Islam understands that there are more women than men in the world, so the idea of one man marrying another woman would never work to begin with, because there would be thousands of women who can't get husbands.This is a one percent difference. I don't see thousands of women who can't get married because all the guys are taken. Not to mention that the rule is FOUR wives meaning there should logically be 400% the women that there are men, and yet it is only 101%. (January 8, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Darkstar Wrote:(January 8, 2013 at 6:09 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Thus proving my point. Thanks for the assistance. He just responded to you with a religious explanation about marriage and intent in Islam about having 4 wives, but is miffed that I brought up Islam? He brings it in when it is convenient to his argument but wants it out when it isn't. Quote:Regarding 4 wives, the purpose of multiple wives in islam is based on the idea to protect women since men are to be the providers and protectors of women. Why does anyone think they have the right to tell women what their roles should be? Shouldn't a woman get to decide for herself? And if a woman refuses to follow the bun factory motif or wants an education, do they end up being shot like Malala? So does that mean a Muslim woman living in the states cant be a cop or join our military? RE: sex before marriage
January 9, 2013 at 1:27 am
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Females cops? That type of nonsense talk is how women get repeatedly tapped until they cease to disagree.
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January 9, 2013 at 7:31 am
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(January 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That you are full of shit. Response: Shhhhhh. (January 8, 2013 at 7:23 pm)Darwinian Wrote: [mini rant] Response: Sorry, but that how I respond. (January 8, 2013 at 8:18 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You are arguing about baby ratios. And the title is sex before marriage. I cant imagine that it wouldn't have anything to do with how Islam has shaped your view on marriage or sex before marriage. Response: It doesn't. (January 8, 2013 at 8:36 pm)Darkstar Wrote: This is a one percent difference. I don't see thousands of women who can't get married because all the guys are taken. Not to mention that the rule is FOUR wives meaning there should logically be 400% the women that there are men, and yet it is only 101%. Response: No one ever stated that thousands of women currently can't get married because all men are taken either, but that IF are men were to marry one woman, there would be thousands of women who can't marry. Secondly, the ratio relates to birth rate, not current population. So it is invalid. (January 9, 2013 at 1:27 am)Rhythm Wrote: Females cops? That type of nonsense talk is how women get repeatedly tapped until they cease to disagree. What? I am assuming that was a joke? Our resident Muslim doesn't understand why I brought up Islam when he's already brought it up multiple times in this thread. I think many theists forget that we know that there is an end goal to all these sidetracks, which is the "AH HA, gotcha, therefore" tactic. So regardless of religious label, unless someone is discussing politics or sports or movies, when they talk about math and science or "ratios" in this case, to me it is completely pointless. Not that they cant or shouldn't. But when you post your religious position(I have decided not to call it a belief anymore), that is what I focus on because that cuts to the core of what humanity is always divided over. So why not simply skip the dance and get to it? This math proves this, that science proves that...........still does not constitute any type of magical cosmic invisible friend by any name. If they want to make the attempt(anyone, not just Muslims), have at it. Why hide behind the real issue? Quote:sex before marriage Na, I'd advise against it. It's like coffee before bed. It hypes you up, raises your expectations. RE: sex before marriage
January 9, 2013 at 5:52 pm
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