(January 8, 2013 at 9:14 pm)Surtr Wrote: Is it any hint that Nordic countries (especially Sweden) are trying to push through pro-market legislation? I think Sweden has finally realized something: the majority of their wealth was created when they were a free market country and the bloated public sector which has come as a result of their transformation to Socialism has reduced that wealth, raised taxes, and lowered the wages of government employees like teachers. Ron Paul actually gained quite a following in Sweden during the primaries. And in many other countries.

When was Sweden transformed to socialism?

(January 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: Look at all the ralies and demonstrations held all throughout Europe to abolish their soial wellfare systems which have been in place for years.
Oh the power of this movement can be felt all throughout Europe.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Whether the people like the system or not does not show whether it is working or not. It won't be long until they won't like the system at all. Trust me, there are a lot of Swedes who hate their current economic system.

I'm sure there are a significant percentage of lunatics in every country who think Ron Paul's ideas are sound.

Yeah wether is system is working or not is shown by if the system works or not.

Now, the US has a privat provider healthcare system, or at least what comes closest to a liberterian ideal of a health care system...............


And it`s shit.

Social healthcare was interduced in Germany in the 1870`s by Bismark in a political deal so that the then political left would support his war against France. We had it ever since then.
And since then,

We invaded Austria,

Invaded France,

Unified the country

Crushed a Polish revolution for independence

Set the world ablaze

Whitnessed an initiated the almoust colapse of Civilisation

Set the World ablaze again.

Where seperated

Rebuilt a nation.

Whitnessed a economic crisis caused through Arab oil price rises

A economic crisis through the openeing of the Japanese market

The collapse of the soviet union.

The unification of our country and the resulting financial crisis.

A financial crisis caused through missmanagement within the financial sector of the Asian stock markets.

Our first war since we set the world ablaze.

And another financial crisis mainly caused by dickheads in the US.




And we still have a social healthcare system which works.
Whilest some american fly to India for operations which are provided for a lower cost there.

Americans you are all wrong!

You might be a 'liberal' who thinks health care is important, but you are wrong, very wrong!

Why?

Because it is obvious from all the threads that 'right wing' Americans post on they are not aware there is anybody else in the world.

I am fed up with these toss pots telling me what my lifstyle is. I come from London and they tell me I live under a Muslim dictatorship, that Europeans which enjoy all the things Americans can't have and are up in arms about it. And they tell me this and that bit of crap they get off Fox. No America you do not need healthcare, your first priority is Books, For fucks sake are you people incapable of learning anything!

(January 8, 2013 at 9:22 pm)jonb Wrote: When was Sweden transformed to socialism?

Socialist ideas had been around since the early 1920's and really took root around the 60's. Since the 90's, however, privatization started gaining ground again.

Quote:I'm sure there are a significant percentage of lunatics in every country who think Ron Paul's ideas are sound.

My point was that free market principles were are once again taking root in Sweden.

Quote:Now, the US has a privat provider healthcare system, or at least what comes closest to a liberterian ideal of a health care system...............

Yet the Libertarian position is not the same and fixes the flaws in the current system.

Quote:And we still have a social healthcare system which works.

Do you? Remember how you were on the brink of financial shortfall in 2009? Your government is raising taxes to make up for it. Your two-tier system is terrible. 10 percent are privately insured- mostly the rich- and the other 90 have to pay for healthcare for the rest of the nation (and the chronically ill cannot get private insurance very easily). Costs are increasing and increasing and increasing. The "solutions" your politicians are providing fail to meet the problem, and there is little prospect of an easy cost limitation plan in the future.

Quote:Americans you are all wrong!
You might be a 'liberal' who thinks health care is important, but you are wrong, very wrong!
Why?
Because it is obvious from all the threads that 'right wing' Americans post on they are not aware there is anybody else in the world.

I have a hard time thinking that is not directed towards me. How exactly do I ignore the rest of the world when I cite examples of socialist countries and the downfalls of their systems?

(January 8, 2013 at 9:32 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: Yeah wether is system is working or not is shown by if the system works or not.

Now, the US has a privat provider healthcare system, or at least what comes closest to a liberterian ideal of a health care system...............


And it`s shit.

Social healthcare was interduced in Germany in the 1870`s by Bismark in a political deal so that the then political left would support his war against France. We had it ever since then.
And since then,

We invaded Austria,

Invaded France,

Unified the country

Crushed a Polish revolution for independence

Set the world ablaze

Whitnessed an initiated the almoust colapse of Civilisation

Set the World ablaze again.

Where seperated

Rebuilt a nation.

Whitnessed a economic crisis caused through Arab oil price rises

A economic crisis through the openeing of the Japanese market

The collapse of the soviet union.

The unification of our country and the resulting financial crisis.

A financial crisis caused through missmanagement within the financial sector of the Asian stock markets.

Our first war since we set the world ablaze.

And another financial crisis mainly caused by dickheads in the US.




And we still have a social healthcare system which works.
Whilest some american fly to India for operations which are provided for a lower cost there.

You and the Brits,or is that Germany?(that is where you are from right?) well in any case, keep your logic out of the U.S. we have allergies to pesky little things like facts.

That`s what they always say.

"OHHH but the american privat healthcare system isn`t a "real" liberterian healthcare system!"
"Ohh but liberterianism will fix the flaws."


Well it had time since Nixon and didn`t do jackshit, maybe even made things worse.
I have had countless talk with brainfart communists who say "but the societ union wasnt "real" communism."

Well guess what, a ugly thing assosiated with a idiology doesnt lose this assosiation when declared "unreal".
I am not someone who is entirely oposed to a buisnessfriendly policie, but liberterianism should stay the fuck out of the healthcare buisness.


And guess what caused the the financial fallout of 2009?

Do you honestly suggest that social healthcare caused it? Didn`t you read anything out of the history I gave?
We had social healthcare since the 1870s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you honestly think that we built up public dept for 142 years, through 2 World wars and every other events of the 20th century?????????????????????????????????

(January 8, 2013 at 9:32 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: And it`s shit.

Amen (so to speak)! Americans collectively pay the most and get the least for our healthcare.

Any American who says otherwise hasn't been through what I have. My wife became critically ill a few years ago and nearly died. We're one of the "lucky" Americans who actually has health insurance. Consequently, her care was only ruinously expensive as opposed to unattainable. I mean literally ruinously expensive. Some necessary things weren't covered. We had to go deep in debt and liquidate our retirement accounts.

Quote:And another financial crisis mainly caused by dickheads in the US.

I feel for you. Most of my investments were in real estate which I always thought was a "safe" investment. Big mistake.

Quote:I feel for you. Most of my investments were in real estate which I always thought was a "safe" investment. Big mistake.

I had a friend who had tons of money tied up in house-flipping. She lost everything.