(January 18, 2013 at 12:35 am)catfish Wrote: It's circular logic to take an expression from the Bible and then post a definition that uses an example from the Bible. Don't you think?
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You cannot seriously be this stupid. Please. Tell me you're joking.

They didn't even use examples from the bible, they used religious examples to illustrate the meaning of the word more effectively. I defined the word like you asked me to, and you accuse me of using circular logic.

Quote:Perhaps you should look up what an eon is...

It doesn't matter. That's not the correct definition.

Surtr Wrote:Let me clear something up for you: There is no indication in the bible of where those souls would go if Hell was temporary, and when they are brought back in Revelations, they are cast back into the "lake of fire" after being judged again.

I will give you ONE more chance to refute this. Run away again, or answer me.

(January 18, 2013 at 1:16 am)Surtr Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 12:35 am)catfish Wrote: It's circular logic to take an expression from the Bible and then post a definition that uses an example from the Bible. Don't you think?
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You cannot seriously be this stupid. Please. Tell me you're joking.

They didn't even use examples from the bible, they used religious examples to illustrate the meaning of the word more effectively. I defined the word like you asked me to, and you accuse me of using circular logic.

LOL! You can't seriously be that stupid, yet you obviously are...
They didn't use examples from the Bible yet they used religious examples??? Where the fuck did those "religious" examples come from then?

(January 18, 2013 at 1:16 am)Surtr Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 12:35 am)catfish Wrote: Perhaps you should look up what an eon is...

It doesn't matter. That's not the correct definition.

LOL again! Holy fuck man, what kind of stupid cunt are you exactly?

If eonian is derived from eon, then the definition of eon is key to determining what eonian means...

(January 18, 2013 at 1:16 am)Surtr Wrote:

Surtr Wrote:Let me clear something up for you: There is no indication in the bible of where those souls would go if Hell was temporary, and when they are brought back in Revelations, they are cast back into the "lake of fire" after being judged again.

I will give you ONE more chance to refute this. Run away again, or answer me.

Irrelevant in regards to the definition of eonian.
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(January 18, 2013 at 3:36 am)catfish Wrote: LOL again! Holy fuck man, what kind of stupid cunt are you exactly?

If eonian is derived from eon, then the definition of eon is key to determining what eonian means...

Except, crucially, the word has a dual meaning, as some words do. You are claiming that definition A is the one used in the bible. Surtr is claiming definition B is, and more importantly, he provided a logical reason for his thinking. This one:

Quote:Let me clear something up for you: There is no indication in the bible of where those souls would go if Hell was temporary, and when they are brought back in Revelations, they are cast back into the "lake of fire" after being judged again.

So now, instead of simply insisting that there is no other definition- a position that is roundly refuted by the fact that most dictionaries produce two results- you have to either provide a reason why your definition is more likely, or to admit that you have none, and as a consequence take the hit to your position's credibility.

Have I laid this out clearly enough for you?

Sorry to butt into someone else's argument, but fucking hell, some people just do not know how to debate correctly...

Ahhh. You have found the fatal flaw of most theists on this forum/ site. Well done Esquilax, only took you a week.... theists are STILL trying to figure it our after 1-3 years.

(January 18, 2013 at 8:47 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Ahhh. You have found the fatal flaw of most theists on this forum/ site. Well done Esquilax, only took you a week.... theists are STILL trying to figure it our after 1-3 years.

Please, do tell what "fatal flaw" you think I have...
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(January 18, 2013 at 2:00 pm)catfish Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 8:47 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Ahhh. You have found the fatal flaw of most theists on this forum/ site. Well done Esquilax, only took you a week.... theists are STILL trying to figure it our after 1-3 years.

Please, do tell what "fatal flaw" you think I have...
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Claims of Allah are the same as claims as Yahweh are the same as claims of Vishnu are the same as claims of Thor and Apollo. Your failure to see that as even to fiction like Harry Potter and Star Wars can be turned into a religion as easily.

Kwanza and Scientology are the most recent examples of personal delusions becoming popular memes.

All you have to do to make lemmings out of other people is sell them a utopia and demand a loyalty test. That can be political or religious or both, but the tribalism is the same and just as deadly.

(January 18, 2013 at 3:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 2:00 pm)catfish Wrote: Please, do tell what "fatal flaw" you think I have...
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Claims of Allah are the same as claims as Yahweh are the same as claims of Vishnu are the same as claims of Thor and Apollo. Your failure to see that as even to fiction like Harry Potter and Star Wars can be turned into a religion as easily.

Kwanza and Scientology are the most recent examples of personal delusions becoming popular memes.

All you have to do to make lemmings out of other people is sell them a utopia and demand a loyalty test. That can be political or religious or both, but the tribalism is the same and just as deadly.

Show me where I made any claim about the existence of god(s) or anything supernatural...
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BTW folks, I am highly amused at the thought of atheist appologists!
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(January 18, 2013 at 2:00 pm)catfish Wrote: Please, do tell what "fatal flaw" you think I have...
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You haven't once produced an argument beyond repeating your initial premise as though the sheer fact that you have said it gives it credibility? That's... pretty fatal, as an objective debater.

(January 17, 2013 at 11:49 am)catfish Wrote:

(January 17, 2013 at 9:46 am)Brian37 Wrote: Please explain to us how we are sheep? Because we don't swallow invisible friend claims as a default position? Or because we value evidence before adapting a position?

If any of you valued "evidence", then I'm fairly certain that none of you, except for the incredibly stupid, would ever make the claim that the Bible teaches "eternal" torment...

Matthew 25:

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Revelation 14:11

“And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

I'm sorry, you were saying?

LOL!
Someone hasn't been following closely enough to have any pertinent info to add...
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