Anything can be labelled a daft idea, but what separates the wheat from the chaff is the evidence. If the UW physicists think they have found a way to validate the Lattice, it's up to them to demonstrate it and have their evidence and methodology evaluated. Were someone to come up with a similar methodology to validate theistic evolution, they'd be held to precisely the same standards. Until such experimental methods and the data gathered thereby have been demonstrated, any speculation about it is just the flapping of gums.

The only thing i will add is that its funny that on the islamic forum i go onto they ALL agree evolution is false, its a false religion and a faith and should be kept out of schools. They give sad stories about how their children get bad marks because they refuse to learn evolution and say things like "why didnt humans evolve scorpions tails? or evolve fur when we go into cold climates"
If you think the quran provides proof of evolution sure go ahead, you can basically extrapolate any other belief out of that fucking book you might aswell include that too

I would like to thank everybody for sharing their ideas on the topic.

(January 29, 2013 at 6:40 pm)Zone Wrote: And from that you get you come to the conclusion that Jesus is Lord.

"This is why we are beautiful to each other, because the 'Golden Section is Beauty itself'. This is why, our bodies are beautiful and why they can be powerful, if we unite with our Creator. And His Name is JESUS."

Or the Quran is the word of Allah or whatever. I think that's a bit of a jump though.

It's a bit of a jump in the same way that the nuking of Hiroshima was a bit noisy.

(January 29, 2013 at 6:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote: It's a bit of a jump in the same way that the nuking of Hiroshima was a bit noisy.

I hear it might have been a bit bright and a bit warm as well.

Mind you, if the Lattice idea turns out to be true it would mean that Theistic Evolution is closer to reality. The only big difference would be that the evolution of our own universe was set off by some alien species instead of a supernatural being.

(January 29, 2013 at 6:49 pm)Confused Ape Wrote: There's a lot of scientists doing gum flapping, then. I'm just pointing out that there are scientists who believe in theistic evolution. I didn't come up with the idea of theistic evolution myself and I don't believe in it either.

Do these scientists have any basis for their gum flapping? I'm aware that there's a lot of religiously-minded scientists in the world, but what counts is the work they do that adds to the sum of human knowledge. It's been pointed out that Sir Isaac Newton was devoutly religious, as well as a practising alchemist, yet his scientific contributions vastly outweigh his religious ones.

As you may have spotted, I don't believe in this theistic evolution either. However, it should be easy enough for a proponent of it to demonstrate it, if it really is a thing.

(January 29, 2013 at 7:01 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Do these scientists have any basis for their gum flapping? I'm aware that there's a lot of religiously-minded scientists in the world, but what counts is the work they do that adds to the sum of human knowledge. It's been pointed out that Sir Isaac Newton was devoutly religious, as well as a practising alchemist, yet his scientific contributions vastly outweigh his religious ones.

Going by the work they've done, many of them have added to the sum of human knowledge in spite of being religious.

(January 29, 2013 at 7:01 pm)Stimbo Wrote: As you may have spotted, I don't believe in this theistic evolution either. However, it should be easy enough for a proponent of it to demonstrate it, if it really is a thing.

As I said in my previous post - "if the Lattice idea turns out to be true it would mean that Theistic Evolution is closer to reality. The only big difference would be that the evolution of our own universe was set off by some alien species instead of a supernatural being."