TEE GRAF GRAU HEIß!!!!!!!!!!!

I would like to know if you have any arguments that speek for this practice other then "esthetics"?

(February 4, 2013 at 9:59 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: TEE GRAF GRAU HEIß!!!!!!!!!!!

I would like to know if you have any arguments that speek for this practice other then "esthetics"?

Why isn't that sufficent?

Nope I am pritty certain that an argument about a moral issue cannot be concluded with an argument on esthetics.

(February 4, 2013 at 12:55 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: Nope I am pritty certain that an argument about a moral issue cannot be concluded with an argument on esthetics.

Why?

Would you argue for circumcision because if you thought ot looked nice?
For war because it seems to be heroic?


When arguing about moral decions, what is or looks beautifull is irrelevant.

What is right, is relevant.

(February 4, 2013 at 1:27 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: Would you argue for circumcision because if you thought ot looked nice?
For war because it seems to be heroic?


When arguing about moral decions, what is or looks beautifull is irrelevant.

What is right, is relevant.

Circumcision doesn't involve a choice usually.

War affects others negatively against their will.

These are poor comparisons.

Did you see the post I made comparing this to regretting not having gone into tennis at an early age? It's a few pages back.

whilest my comparison is poor, yours isn`t any better.

tennis? what medical sideeffect could that possibly have which compare to cutting someone testicles off?????

That the voice of the "castrato" might sound nicer is not a reason for such a medical preceisure and all it`s included risks.

(February 4, 2013 at 2:21 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: whilest my comparison is poor, yours isn`t any better.

tennis? what medical sideeffect could that possibly have which compare to cutting someone testicles off?????

That the voice of the "castrato" might sound nicer is not a reason for such a medical preceisure and all it`s included risks.

What makes the medical side effects so special that my analogy fails?

Unable to become tennis champ because you choose to study art = irreversible choice.


Unable to have kids because desire to be a castrato = irreversable choice.

(February 4, 2013 at 2:25 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What makes the medical side effects so special that my analogy fails?

Well. Remove your balls with a razorblade and after a period of 10 years tell me if the lack of sexual activity has caused any depression or other.

Coincidentely, The catholic church child abuse scandle surfaced in southern Germany some years ago because a boy was so violently abused by a priest that his testicles had to be amputated when he was 11.
The scandle came to public light when that person comitted suicide in his 40s due to the resulting depressions he had.

Quote:Unable to become tennis champ because you choose to study art = irreversible choice.

Nope. A human being is a learning animal and can always learn new traits, it might be capable to learn more as a child but the capability of learning itself never fades away.

Quote:Unable to have kids because desire to be a castrato = irreversable choice.

Again, I mentioned this before, learning never fades away and one is constantly capable to redecide what one learns.

A scrotum doesnt grow back once you remove it.

One can do it as an adult (if there are no laws against self mutilation in place)

But before the age of 18 these decisions will not be taken seriously by a child, neighter can a parent make such a grave decisions for a child.

I'm a classical singer, in fact, referencing the OP, Lascia Ch'io Pianga was one of the arias I performed for my senior recital... beautiful piece by Handel.

The castrati have always been fascinating to me. They were the rock stars of their time. I envy the flexibility that they had. No matter how much I practiced, I could never quiiiiiite get to the level of a castrato, and I'm a coloratura soprano.

That being said, in my opinion, pre-pubescent castration is unethical. I don't think a pre-pubescent boy can consent to that type of thing. Just the fact that he's pre-pubescent means he hasn't matured enough to consent to permanently alter his body. Back in the days of the castrati, their families made the decision for them, usually due to monetary or health reasons. Castration was a treatment for many childhood diseases back then, and a beautiful singing voice was often just a silver-lining to the cloud of losing one's balls.