(March 7, 2013 at 2:41 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote: All the ravers I know experiment with psychedelics, hallucinogens.

Meth and Coke are STIMULANTS.

Why would a scene defined by psychs and hallucinogens dive into powerful stimulants?

The classes of drugs, experiences don't match with the characteristics of the subcultures.

sorry but aren't stimulants the founding drugs of the rave scene?
ecstasy MDMA speed and so on, my friends who were the biggest ravers ever only took these drugs.
No one i ever knew took mushrooms weed or LSD at a rave, that was more for lounging around and relaxing.

(March 7, 2013 at 8:49 am)John V Wrote: If you can't enjoy life sober as much as you do on drugs, you have a drug problem. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say you have a life problem.

I need a 12 stepper/Nazi goose-stepping meme for this...

(March 6, 2013 at 11:35 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I wish you the best and I hope you don't die. A friend of mine just did, from heroin, not MDMA. I never thought I'd start doing heroin, but I did, and really, I got to the harder stuff though MDMA and the rave scene.

I'm glad to hear you're in a safer state of life. Seriously.

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(March 9, 2013 at 2:51 pm)jstrodel Wrote:

(March 9, 2013 at 2:48 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: No, actually fuck you. YOU screwed up your life. You can't blame it on drugs YOU chose to take over and over.

This is what you call an atheist approach to ethics. I'm going to do whatever I want, and if it hurts other people, its their fault. Veganism?

Atheists are the leaders when it comes to love and compassion.

Theists are the leaders when it comes to stereotyping a whole demographic from one post that pisses them off. Oh, wait, damn! I can't pull it off with the sincere unawareness needed. My apologies to any theists who wouldn't do that.

One of the things that sucks about being African American is the notion that everything you do reflects on your whole race and if you aren't the most upstanding citizen, some cracker will use you as an example of 'what black people are like'.

Don't be that cracker.

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(March 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm)John V Wrote:

(March 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Why do christians always group atheists together as though they are in some kind of club that worships the same book and has the same ideals?

Strange.

Maybe cause they hang out at forums that say atheist at the top?

Well, the ones that hang out at forums that say atheist at the top do. The other ones don't. There are what, 15-20 million atheists in the USA? Care to give an honest estimate of what percentage of those are members of websites that say 'atheist' at the top?

(March 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm)John V Wrote: Face it, there aren't websites, books, etc. devoted to not collecting stamps.

There would be if people were interrupting other people's Saturday mornings to try to convince them to collect stamps or use tax money for stamp-based initiatives, or stamp-collecting was widely seen as a necessary component of patriotism, or if 40% of Americans wouldn't want their child to marry a non-stamp-collector or vote for a non-stamp-collector for president. There really would be.

So, does "cracker" mean like cracking a whip? Or does it mean white like a saltine?
Inquiring crackers wanna know...

(March 13, 2013 at 5:59 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(March 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm)John V Wrote: Face it, there aren't websites, books, etc. devoted to not collecting stamps.

There would be if people were interrupting other people's Saturday mornings to try to convince them to collect stamps or use tax money for stamp-based initiatives, or stamp-collecting was widely seen as a necessary component of patriotism, or if 40% of Americans wouldn't want their child to marry a non-stamp-collector or vote for a non-stamp-collector for president. There really would be.

Uh, you're supporting my point by emphasizing the differences between atheism and astampism. Thanks!

(March 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I did not say that most atheists are Communists, what I said was that Marxism is an extremely heavy influence over the atheist movement. That is true. If you are an honest person, you will care about that.

Would you please name one tenet of communism that has influenced 'the atheism movmenent'?

(March 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Ridiculing me will not disprove what is a historical fact: Communism is the only political manifestation of atheism in history, and it is 1/5th of the population, and it is a major influence on atheist thought.

Communism is a political manifestation of Marxism, but not a very good one. If you have the integrity to accept Islamic theocracies as political manifestations of theism, I might let this one slide.

(March 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Do you know who Stephen J Gould or Christopher Hitchens are? They are major leaders in the atheist movement.

It's not a movement. Neither is theism. No one can speak for atheism. No one can speak for theism. People speak for themselves and their influence is pretty much solely based on what they have to say and how well they say it. That said, there is something of a movement in America for atheists to be more open about being atheists, it's what any decent person would want for for their fellow humans, and many theists support us in this, and reassure us that most American theists no longer believe in persecuting or discriminating against atheists. You should be on board.

(March 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheists don't care that they are Marxist.

I'm not going to disagree with what someone says because they're a Marxist. What they say has to stand or fall on its own merits. I'm perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone on politics and agreeing with them about something else. You should be, too.

(March 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm)jstrodel Wrote: When you add in all the people that are very, very far to the left politically, I think you probably capture 40% of the atheist movement or so.

That's probably in the ballpark of how many of us consistently vote Democrat, anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_...n_politics

(March 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm)jstrodel Wrote: It is true that this is not a scientific statistic, but do you care that many atheist leaders are either Marxists or radical leftists?

I don't acknowledge the existence of 'atheist leaders'. It's like claiming there are 'black leaders'. No one voted to give anyone the right to speak for African Americans, and no has the right. There are just black people that get more attention, especially from the media, than others.

(March 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Even in the case of people like Ayn Rand, you see someone who was not politically to the left but was deeply influenced by Marxists. The whole atheist movement is like this.

Deeply moved to completely reject Marxism. You like to get us coming and going, don't you?

(March 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheism is most definately its own culture, it is a left wing movement, with values and culture and advocacy that would be completely unsurprising for a left wing movement to have.

Theism is most definitely its own culture, it is a right wing movement, with values and culture and advocacy that would be completely unsurprising for a right wing movement to have.

I believe that statement describes theism as accurately as yours does atheism.

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(March 12, 2013 at 12:41 pm)jstrodel Wrote: This basically issustrates the sort of epistemology you people have.

So we're 'you people'. That sounds very familiar....

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(March 13, 2013 at 6:49 pm)John V Wrote:

(March 13, 2013 at 5:59 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: There would be if people were interrupting other people's Saturday mornings to try to convince them to collect stamps or use tax money for stamp-based initiatives, or stamp-collecting was widely seen as a necessary component of patriotism, or if 40% of Americans wouldn't want their child to marry a non-stamp-collector or vote for a non-stamp-collector for president. There really would be.

Uh, you're supporting my point by emphasizing the differences between atheism and astampism. Thanks!

If that's what you think, I am happy to accept your gratitude.

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(March 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm)catfish Wrote: So, does "cracker" mean like cracking a whip? Or does it mean white like a saltine?
Inquiring crackers wanna know...

To be pedantic, which I rarely shirk from, the term predates the era of white overseers and refers to poor white mule drivers, which the old South had an abundance of in colonial times. A lot of people do think it refers to the crack of the overseer's whip, and mean it that way when they say it. A lot of people mean 'pale like a saltine' when they say it, too. In that sense, I think it may be the one racially-based pejorative that can actually hurt a honkey's feelings, if they realize it doesn't necessarily mean a pale, salty wafer.

(March 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm)catfish Wrote: So, does "cracker" mean like cracking a whip? Or does it mean white like a saltine?
Inquiring crackers wanna know...

It has to do with cracking whips, not (as some might imagine) a slave driving whip, but a locating whip commonly used by swamp ranchers to keep into contact with each other (and keep their cattle inline) in dense and hostile terrain.
(though the term is even older yet having different meanings as you go through time..now it just means white like a saltine overall, yes. You might take it to mean someone with deep roots in Florida or Georgia's history....if you wanted to be a little more civilized about it)

(March 13, 2013 at 6:55 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(March 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm)catfish Wrote: So, does "cracker" mean like cracking a whip? Or does it mean white like a saltine?
Inquiring crackers wanna know...

To be pedantic, which I rarely shirk from, the term predates the era of white overseers and refers to poor white mule drivers, which the old South had an abundance of in colonial times. A lot of people do think it refers to the crack of the overseer's whip, and mean it that way when they say it. A lot of people mean 'pale like a saltine' when they say it, too. In that sense, I think it may be the one racially-based pejorative that can actually hurt a honkey's feelings, if they realize it doesn't necessarily mean a pale, salty wafer.

So why not just call a nigger a nigger and be done with it?
Why must you make it us/them and bring racism into it?
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(March 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm)catfish Wrote: So why not just call a nigger a nigger and be done with it?
Why must you make it us/them and bring racism into it?
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Go ahead an just do it.

Would be interesting to see how your social surroundings react.

Best case! Do it in a black neighbourhood!!!!!!!!