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Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 9:32 pm
I was considering the xtian concept of sin and I suddenly thought, "Do I sin because of Adam?"
This brings up a few more questions: What would the world be like if Adam hadn't eaten the apple? Would there be evil in the world? If there was no evil, would lucifer still be god right-hand man? Would Jesus still have been born? Would bacon still be as tasty?
These are the questions that keep me up at night.
Ok, not really but it is an interesting thought.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm
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Well, since the snake is said to be the devil, and he is the one who convinced Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, it is only reasonable to assume that if Lucifer is evil, then he was the first evil. God created him, knew he'd turn, knew he'd lead Adam and Eve astray...god works in mysterious ways?
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Nope.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 9:51 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2013 at 9:52 pm by Baalzebutt.)
 (April 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Well, since the snake is said to be the devil, and he is the one who convinced Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, it is only reasonable to assume that if Lucifer is evil, then he was the first evil. God created him, knew he'd turn, knew he'd lead Adam and Eve astray...god works in mysterious ways?
Dark, that is an excellent point. I had forgotten that lucifer fell before Adam ate the apple.
So the question is, what effect would evil have in this world if Adam had not eaten the apple? Evil would still exist, but man, being sinless would not be affected by it?
Hmmmm...curiouser and curiouser.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2013 at 9:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Well, since the snake is said to be the devil,
Minor correction - before I forget. Wasn't a snake - it was a damned dragon. Big nitpick of mine, they seem to like to say shit like snake and fish now, rather than dragon and sea monster. Guess they realized how ridiculous they sounded.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 9:56 pm
(April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (April 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Well, since the snake is said to be the devil,
Minor correction - before I forget. Wasn't a snake - it was a damned dragon.
Damn the dragons!!!
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Actually Genesis doesn't say anything about the snake being the devil. That's just what modern Christianity has added to the myth. The original story was partly an explanation as to why snakes don't have legs.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:17 pm
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LOL< you have to wonder who asked that though, don;t you, if that were the case? Of all the questions one might ask - "why don't snakes have legs" - and why would it have been so important? I like to think of as a way of drawing the narrative down from fantasyland and into our world. Like the refrain at the end of tons of fairy tales
"and that, children, is why...yadda yadda yadda"
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm
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The Greeks have a myth regarding a golden apple bearing tree protected by a dragon named Ladon. It is the story regarding the Hesperides. Makes one realize that it is just another piece of religious lore the Christians stole.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:37 pm
The Hebrew word used in Genesis was:
נחש
v. to guess
nm. snake, serpent
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