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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Yep, a serpent with limbs.......who can speak.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:42 pm
(April 2, 2013 at 10:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yep, a serpent with limbs.......who can speak.
For once, could you try some reading with the idea of metaphorical instead of being such a literal fucking fundie?
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:44 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2013 at 10:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Just as soon as you present me with the metaphor key - so I can quickly and simply distinguish between the two - I'll start doing that.
What makes this metaphor, because dragons don't exist, snakes don't talk? Well, genies don't poof shit into existence either...
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:51 pm
(April 2, 2013 at 10:44 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Just as soon as you present me with the metaphor key - so I can quickly and simply distinguish between the two
Waaaaaaa!
Right back at ya. Explain to me the "key" that requires a literal interpretation.
You really don't know anything about the OT or it's history, huh?
Fucking fundies...  hock:
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 10:57 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2013 at 10:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
So, just to recap, you don't have a key that shows when something should be metaphor, and I don't have a key that shows when something should be literal. Looks like were both left with nothing but whats on the page - which again, is dragons.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 11:03 pm
(April 2, 2013 at 10:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So, just to recap, you don't have a key that shows when something should be metaphor, and I don't have a key that shows when something should be literal.
Therefore we declare that the whole thing would be fiction either way and call it a day. 
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 11:05 pm
So, catfud...
If Adam had not sinned, would man be sinless?
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm
I was taught Eve was the reason we sin.
I also believe that the Bible, in its usual sexist manner, totally made the chick eat the apple on purpose. The story of Eve eating the apple has been used so many times as justification for women being below men.
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2013 at 11:24 pm by catfish.)
(April 2, 2013 at 10:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So, just to recap, you don't have a key that shows when something should be metaphor, and I don't have a key that shows when something should be literal. Looks like were both left with nothing but whats on the page - which again - dragons.
Not quite accurate.
I'm not giving you a key for anything. I'm relaying simple facts to help you not be such an obvious sheeple.
You ignore the fact that most religious and secular scholoars agree to the basic history of the OT. You should look into that.
Seriously man, you're a fundie. Embrace it.
(April 2, 2013 at 11:05 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: So, catfud...
If Adam had not sinned, would man be sinless?
My thoughts on "sin" are not that of your standard Christian. I would say there are humans who are "sinless". Small children and mentally handicapable people come to mind as examples.
Think of what they (Adam and Eve) supposedly had (everything was good or very good) until they ate of the "tree". Nothing changed except their own perception of the world. The were first ashamed for being naked, then they hid and then tried passing the blame when questioned about their actions.. I think of that shame, the recognition of things that weren't (I.E. not clothed, not to blame) and the scapegoating as the first "sin" not the so-called disobedience as most preach.
One thing is for sure though, I don't read it as a fundie would...
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
April 2, 2013 at 11:24 pm
I think interpreting metaphorically would imply God did the fallacy of ambiguity.
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