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Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
#41
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
(April 5, 2013 at 2:20 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: However, if the Muslim believed any particular law should be approved because he felt religiously obligated to support it, he should be free to base his decision on that.
He is free to base his decision upon that, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't violate a principle of secular government. I'm sure it wouldn't be so difficult to find some other reason to support the law. His freedom to exercize his religion does not extend to exercizing it with the power of the state. To put it simply "casting gods vote" is not something I'm ever going to allow anyone to excuse, in our government.

Quote:Another law-making can just as easily oppose such law on other grounds.
if that law would violate his free exercize of religion then I'd agree. But if, for example, he opposes the rights of another to marry,.because god told him it was icky......
(notice the lengths that our reps go through to establish that this is not the reason they oppose such marriages, or the laws surrounding them officially?...do you know why? because they'd get called out on it)

Quote: That's democracy. But its a step to far to say that lawmakers should not look to their faith for divine guidance in the performance of their job.
We're not a democracy. That would be a step too far, but since you're the only one taking that step...I don't know why I'm being asked to defend that step...... I would add, though, that anyone who has to ask god how to perform the duties entrusted to him may not deserve the trust that was granted by the voter. I don't want to think that my reps can't handle being reps without cribbing from some god.....
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#42
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
Well, our politician, including purely secular politicians have not been too good at following the constitution either. This is already a post-constitutional country.
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#43
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
(April 5, 2013 at 2:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Who implied that they couldn't consider them? Hint: Chad. In his persecution fueled fantasies of what it means to adhere to a secular principle.

My apologies, I misunderstood this statement by you: "I want to prevent any state representative from allowing his religion to influence his policymaking. Full stop."

I now see that your position is more nuanced than that.
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#44
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
LOL, I just don't ever want to hear

"I prayed to Odin long and hard to help me come to a decision in this matter - and here it is- nuke em"

I doubt Chad ever wants to hear that either.

(which is what pisses me off about how unabashedly our reps will say the exact same thing.....trying to fucking out-christ each other or some-such nonsense)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#45
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
(April 4, 2013 at 10:37 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: To me it just shows how petty militant atheists are. They go out of their way to be offended.

When your religion obsesses over what people do in their bedrooms, or loudly insists that it has the right to define marriage so that it only includes what it wants, you don't get to complain about how petty we are.
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#46
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
(April 5, 2013 at 2:38 pm)Ryantology Wrote: ...insists that it has the right to define marriage so that it only includes what it wants, you don't get to complain about how petty we are.
Marriage was already pretty well defined until people started adding hyphens. Not that I really care about the issue that much. I believe states should just start treating every voluntarily committed relationship as a civil union and be done with it. Because personally, I see marriage as a religious sacrament between one man, one woman, and one God. How's that for secularism?
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#47
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
(April 5, 2013 at 5:26 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(April 5, 2013 at 2:38 pm)Ryantology Wrote: ...insists that it has the right to define marriage so that it only includes what it wants, you don't get to complain about how petty we are.
Marriage was already pretty well defined until people started adding hyphens. Not that I really care about the issue that much. I believe states should just start treating every voluntarily committed relationship as a civil union and be done with it. Because personally, I see marriage as a religious sacrament between one man, one woman, and one God. How's that for secularism?

I concur that all committed relationships in the same way, but that goes for polygamous ones as well. Tell me though, when has marriage been well defined? Marriage has changed a lot, you just need to compare what it says in the Bible/Torah to what we think of as marriage today, and that's before you throw in all the stuff that was around before the semitic religions monopolised marriage.
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#48
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
(April 4, 2013 at 12:53 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...rait-1947/

Quote:Some legal persuasion by the American Civil Liberties Union has prompted a southern Ohio school district to take down a Jesus portrait that has been up since 1947.
The decision to remove the portrait from Jackson Middle School was made after the district’s insurance company refused to cover litigation fees. The Hi-Y Club, a Christian-based club that the school says owns the portrait, took it down, The Blaze reported.

A small victory, but important nonetheless. Strike one for the good guys in keeping the hegemony of Christianity in the US at bay.

The idiot theists who would object to this rightful action do not understand why it is important.

Politics without religion is by itself combative and divides, but the west has learned that common law is better than common dogma. Once you get into gang tagging government property with religious symbols you distract everyone from common law.

Any Christian who would object to the removal of this should move to Iran and as a minority try to have it displayed in an Iran public school. Humans are tribal which is why this happens. But they never consider, because comfort is local, what happens outside their own club to others?

We are all minorities to some other group. And we have never ceased to be the same species.
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#49
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
(April 5, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Tobie Wrote: ...when has marriage been well defined?
In the very long run, yes marriage has included polygamy. From my perspective, words have meaning because they have consistent definitions. In the case of the word "marriage" the use of the term in Western cultures for at least the last 500 years has been a socially sanctioned monogamous commitment between people of opposite sex. My primary objection to gay-marriage and reintroducing polygamy, is that both mess around with language to promote a political agenda.

I also mourn the loss of the word gay as a type of happiness. Now it means homosexual. And pretty soon it will come to mean uncool. And so many other words, gone by virtue of redefinition or political correctness.
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#50
RE: Ohio School Takes Down Jesus Portrait
(April 5, 2013 at 5:59 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: My primary objection to gay-marriage and reintroducing polygamy.

Why did you lump them both together as though with the legalization of gay marriage also comes the legalization of polygamy? From my understanding of polygamy, it is a certain religious heterosexual sect that adheres to it.
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