(June 19, 2013 at 4:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hmm. I think atheists can be happy. I can't reason how an atheist can't see the gains of a just reality. And I do think that's a reality an atheist must face. Reality sans God is unjust.

Seeing the advantages of a perfectly just reality isn't really the point, though. I can think of any number of potential universes that I would prefer to live in, but that's irrelevant, because I live in this one. Whether or not an idea makes you feel good has no bearing on its truth value; I can see the things I would gain in a just reality, yes, but I see no evidence that this universe is that reality.

Godschild Wrote:I do not say nonbelievers can't live a happy life, what I say is they better because what's to come will be anything but happy.

Could you maybe dial it the fuck back, a little?

Quote:As far as a moral life goes Christians have a tougher standard to live by than nonbelievers our morals are who God is, nonbelievers get to choose theirs as long as they're not outside the laws where they live.

Given the sheer number of christian denominations, and the fact that if you followed every commandment in the bible you would be in jail, I submit to you that you pick and choose your morals just as much as we do, you've just got your selection written down.

Quote:We (Christians) live for an eternal future, nonbelievers live for the here and now, so our lives are very much different and we know without God the eternal future is not possible.

Doesn't follow. What if you get up there, and Odin just happens to be particularly generous with the seating arrangements in Valhalla? You've got no basis for saying that the only eternal life there can possibly be is the one you've subscribed to.

Quote: For the nonbeliever whether there is a God or not they live to be worm food, no wonder we Christians choose to believe in Christ our savior.

And once again we have that troubling theistic implication that it's not so much whether an idea is true or not that determines their belief, but whether or not it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy. That's some nice integrity, there.

(June 19, 2013 at 6:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: For the nonbeliever whether there is a God or not they live to be worm food, no wonder we Christians choose to believe in Christ our savior.

Are you saying you choose to believe in Christ because that frightens you?

And what is wrong with being worm food anyway? It's the cycle of life. Do you think it's strange that I find beauty in that?

(June 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(June 19, 2013 at 6:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: For the nonbeliever whether there is a God or not they live to be worm food, no wonder we Christians choose to believe in Christ our savior.

Are you saying you choose to believe in Christ because that frightens you?

And what is wrong with being worm food anyway? It's the cycle of life. Do you think it's strange that I find beauty in that?

I think it sounds peaceful. Which sounds magnificent.

Screw you guys, I plan to launch myself into the Sun to avoid the worm food fate!

(June 19, 2013 at 10:11 pm)Zarith Wrote: Screw you guys, I plan to launch myself into the Sun to avoid the worm food fate!

Hope you are rich. ;p

Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson Wrote:“I would request that my body in death be buried not cremated, so that the energy content contained within it gets returned to the earth, so that flora and fauna can dine upon it, just as I have dined upon flora and fauna during my lifetime”

I'm okay with this.

(June 19, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson Wrote:“I would request that my body in death be buried not cremated, so that the energy content contained within it gets returned to the earth, so that flora and fauna can dine upon it, just as I have dined upon flora and fauna during my lifetime”

I'm okay with this.

I want this, but I also want to be with my husband. I know it's sappy, but its true. So as long as its together.

(June 19, 2013 at 8:39 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

Godschild Wrote:I do not say nonbelievers can't live a happy life, what I say is they better because what's to come will be anything but happy.

Could you maybe dial it the fuck back, a little?

Not when you ask like that, I can turn up the heat though.

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(June 19, 2013 at 7:36 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

(June 19, 2013 at 6:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: We (Christians) live for an eternal future, nonbelievers live for the here and now, so our lives are very much different and we know without God the eternal future is not possible. For the nonbeliever whether there is a God or not they live to be worm food, no wonder we Christians choose to believe in Christ our savior.

In other words, you fear death to the point where convincing yourself that death isn't final is vital to maintaining your happiness. Also, it means that you're in this for your own benefit, not for God's, which is the entire point of this religion, meaning that you (Christians) are selfish opportunists, and last I remember, your god doesn't look kindly upon that at all.

I do not have to fear death, it is you who should fear the eternal life if you do not change, hell is a very unhappy place. I do want to live with God forever,yes, if that's selfish then count me selfish, however I have served God at what nonbelievers would call, giving up the good life. I also came out of these serves with gain from God, as He promises, it is spiritual gain something you would not understand. God also says for us to build up our treasures in heaven and not here where decay will eat away at them. You're wrong, it is a relationship with God that is the point, and that relationship is an opportunity to grow as a human so we can serve God better. The selfishness that God does not like is that of those who try to live life on their own.

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(June 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(June 19, 2013 at 6:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: For the nonbeliever whether there is a God or not they live to be worm food, no wonder we Christians choose to believe in Christ our savior.

Are you saying you choose to believe in Christ because that frightens you?

And what is wrong with being worm food anyway? It's the cycle of life. Do you think it's strange that I find beauty in that?

That was meant as a jab, we all will be food for worms, however I will get a new body when Christ returns. You do live life expecting to be nothing more than a decayed body, I live life expecting a new life and body and serve my Lord for that gift. What I do find strange is you do not care about a future perfect life, that you are satisfied with this one only.

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(June 19, 2013 at 9:59 pm)Savannahw Wrote:

(June 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Are you saying you choose to believe in Christ because that frightens you?

And what is wrong with being worm food anyway? It's the cycle of life. Do you think it's strange that I find beauty in that?

I think it sounds peaceful. Which sounds magnificent.

Peaceful is for those who are able to appreciate it. When one is dead as you see death nothing can be appreciated. Just as you could not appreciate before you were born.

GC, you seem to like bringing up topic of hell. What would be your reaction if you went to heaven and got informed that there is no hell?

(June 19, 2013 at 10:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not have to fear death, it is you who should fear the eternal life if you do not change, hell is a very unhappy place. I do want to live with God forever,yes, if that's selfish then count me selfish, however I have served God at what nonbelievers would call, giving up the good life. I also came out of these serves with gain from God, as He promises, it is spiritual gain something you would not understand. God also says for us to build up our treasures in heaven and not here where decay will eat away at them. You're wrong, it is a relationship with God that is the point, and that relationship is an opportunity to grow as a human so we can serve God better. The selfishness that God does not like is that of those who try to live life on their own.

That is so much crap wrapped together I might as well be reading a Charlaine Harris novel.

Does it ever concern you that your beliefs are centered around belittling others to the point of making them feel as low as possible so that they can believe in something you perceive as important in order to make them feel the same as you? Sociopathy is not a pretty way to live, but you have certainly perfected the art with your holier-than-thou degradations.