(June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: What is it?

Asked a different way, what is the end goal of Atheism?

For "atheism" to be a word that disappears from our vocabulary.

Once Yahweh, Allah, et al have all gone to the graveyard of forgotten gods (alongside Zeus, Odin and Ra), no one will ever have a need for the word.

It's like "alchemy". People once believed in it but you don't see groups of people getting together to protest "alchemy is bs" today do you? If any protest where to ever happen, people would give the protesters some strange looks and say, "yeah, everyone knows that". We're all a-alchemists. So there's no need for the word.

The goal of secularism is no unnecessary entanglement of government and religion, and since people are always going to disagree on when it's uneccessary and when it's entanglement, it will always be an issue. I guess you could say the end goal is that it be less of an issue than today.

The end goal of humanism is world peace and prosperity with minimal suffering, maximum kindness, and a healthy ecology.

What you're probably really wondering about is the end goal of antitheism, which I presume would be no one believing in any God or gods. Of those of us who are antitheists, few of us would advocate using anything but sweet reason in that effort, so like the others, it's more of a committment to an ongoing journey than something we expect to actually happen due to our efforts.

The end game of Christianity would be everyone being a Christian, so speaking of end games at this point is pretty much equally constructive for either side.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.

Not true.

Quote:Perhaps that is the end goal of Atheism? If you stray onto the religious path your evolutionary journey will be abruptly halted by the taint of religion, and your great, great, great, great, etc, grandchildren will never know the eternal bliss of godhood.

How are evolution and atheism conected?

Quote:Does that make sense?

Only in your confused mind it seems

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: What is it?

Asked a different way, what is the end goal of Atheism?

For "atheism" to be a word that disappears from our vocabulary.

Once Yahweh, Allah, et al have all gone to the graveyard of forgotten gods (alongside Zeus, Odin and Ra), no one will ever have a need for the word.

It's like "alchemy". People once believed in it but you don't see groups of people getting together to protest "alchemy is bs" today do you? If any protest where to ever happen, people would give the protesters some strange looks and say, "yeah, everyone knows that". We're all a-alchemists. So there's no need for the word.

This is outside the scope of this thread.

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(June 26, 2013 at 10:31 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The goal of secularism is no unnecessary entanglement of government and religion, and since people are always going to disagree on when it's uneccessary and when it's entanglement, it will always be an issue. I guess you could say the end goal is that it be less of an issue than today.

The end goal of humanism is world peace and prosperity with minimal suffering, maximum kindness, and a healthy ecology.

What you're probably really wondering about is the end goal of antitheism, which I presume would be no one believing in any God or gods. Of those of us who are antitheists, few of us would advocate using anything but sweet reason in that effort, so like the others, it's more of a committment to an ongoing journey than something we expect to actually happen due to our efforts.

The end game of Christianity would be everyone being a Christian, so speaking of end games at this point is pretty much equally constructive for either side.

How are Atheists, antitheists, secularists trying to achieve their goals?

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:20 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: There's a goal?

Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.

Perhaps that is the end goal of Atheism? If you stray onto the religious path your evolutionary journey will be abruptly halted by the taint of religion, and your great, great, great, great, etc, grandchildren will never know the eternal bliss of godhood.

Does that make sense?

Evolution has not end goal. To have a goal it has to think. There is no thought process to evolution. It is not a being.
There is no end goal of atheism.
No it doesn't make since.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:20 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: There's a goal?

Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.

Evolution is mindless, as the dodo can attest to. Did you read a book that says evolution wants humans to become gods? Link me please.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:31 am)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.

Not true.

Quote:Perhaps that is the end goal of Atheism? If you stray onto the religious path your evolutionary journey will be abruptly halted by the taint of religion, and your great, great, great, great, etc, grandchildren will never know the eternal bliss of godhood.

How are evolution and atheism conected?

Quote:Does that make sense?

Only in your confused mind it seems

Please enlighten me.

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(June 26, 2013 at 10:35 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.

Evolution is mindless, as the dodo can attest to. Did you read a book that says evolution wants humans to become gods? Link me please.

Evolution
2. The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

If humans, and other life, are becoming more complex then eventually we should get to a point where we become transcended beings that shed our physical bodies, become "energy" of a sort, and live forever like gods.

Unless you are implying that there is some kind of barrier in the evolutionary process that prevents one from becoming this transcended godlike being.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:31 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: For "atheism" to be a word that disappears from our vocabulary.

Once Yahweh, Allah, et al have all gone to the graveyard of forgotten gods (alongside Zeus, Odin and Ra), no one will ever have a need for the word.

It's like "alchemy". People once believed in it but you don't see groups of people getting together to protest "alchemy is bs" today do you? If any protest where to ever happen, people would give the protesters some strange looks and say, "yeah, everyone knows that". We're all a-alchemists. So there's no need for the word.

This is outside the scope of this thread.

You asked for a goal and he gave you one and it's outside the scope of this thread?

Quote:Evolution
2. The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

If humans, and other life, are becoming more complex then eventually we should get to a point where we become transcended beings that shed our physical bodies, become "energy" of a sort, and live forever like gods.

Unless you are implying that there is some kind of barrier in the evolutionary process that prevents one from becoming this transcended godlike being.

Where are you getting this from?

it is a big, unsubstantiated leap to go from complex to becoming energy. i'm not a new age person so i don't even know what that means. also e=mc^2, so mass and energy is interchangeable under the right conditions (sorry if this is off, physics not my strong suit). And you have to define a god like being's biological attributes before I'll speculate to whether or not it's a possibility.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:39 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:31 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: This is outside the scope of this thread.

You asked for a goal and he gave you one and it's outside the scope of this thread?

I see, he was saying that the end goal of Atheism is for the word "atheism" to disappear. An odd goal.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: What is it?

Asked a different way, what is the end goal of Atheism?

There's an end goal?!
Dammit, why don't I ever get these memos?!?

Ever heard the expression herding cats?
That's what it's like getting atheists to agree on something.... except on the non-belief in deities.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:20 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: There's a goal?

Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.

Evolution by natural selection is simply a mechanism which enables organisms to produce offspring which are viable in the environment where they live.
The ones that are not viable, don't reproduce and end the lineage.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Perhaps that is the end goal of Atheism? If you stray onto the religious path your evolutionary journey will be abruptly halted by the taint of religion, and your great, great, great, great, etc, grandchildren will never know the eternal bliss of godhood.

Does that make sense?

We tend to see it as the bliss of brainwashing... does that make sense?
Does it make sense to want the future of mankind to be as indoctrinated and brainwashed as it is nowadays? I mean, look at all the multiple religious sects, each indoctrinating their children and perpetuating this division... and resulting strife, war, waste... Does that make sense?