(June 26, 2013 at 12:41 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: I am not bashing Science, just pointing out that to Atheist Science is the Holy of Holies.

Wrong. Science is not holy in any way. We constantly question and test it. Religion and beliefs about deities are considered holy and therefore are not tested or questioned by their followers. So much so that the topic of religion is very sensitive and it seems outright rude to question someone else's religious beliefs face to face.

Science is the tool we use to discern the world around us. It is the most reliable, accurate and valid way to do this

(June 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Part of brainwashing is holding back knowledge from the brainwashee, which is exactly what an Atheist would be doing in an Atheist home. All I am saying is that if religion is a brainwashing process Atheism is too.

So you're just going to pretend I didn't say many atheists make an effort to expose their children to religion so that they can make an informed decision?

Good for them. Now don't assume all Christians brainwash their children and we'll be square.

(June 26, 2013 at 11:39 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: You said that Jesus was a man, and that Christians are therefore Atheists.

However, Jesus Himself said He was God, and He is worshipped as such by Christians. Therefore, your analogy fails.

If I'm following the topic correctly, does this mean that the only difference between Jesus and Mao is that Jesus claimed to be god?

(June 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm)Rationalman Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 12:41 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: I am not bashing Science, just pointing out that to Atheist Science is the Holy of Holies.

Religion and beliefs about deities are considered holy and therefore are not tested or questioned by their followers.

That is a false assumption. I tested and asked questions, and still do. If God is real He shouldn't be afraid to prove it, and I shouldn't be afraid to look for myself. I found my answer many times over.

(June 26, 2013 at 12:37 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Let's start here, Atheist seem fanatically obsessed with the notion that there is no God.

If you ask around, most of us will say it's possible there is a God, we just don't think there are sufficiently justified reasons to believe it is true. Is that what you mean by 'fanatically obsessed'?

(June 26, 2013 at 11:53 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: They desire a world without "religion" where everyone is an Atheist.

It's possible to have a world with religion where everyone is an atheist. Religion and theism aren't synonyms. Although many of the people who are anti-theist are more anti-religious than anti-theist.

(June 26, 2013 at 11:53 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: The governments that were Atheistic always had a godlike figure in the form of a man, such as Mao.

What is the current godlike figure of the PRC? Mao isn't nearly as revered as he used to be. Cults of personality are common features of totalitarian governments, atheistic or not, but are not universal.

(June 26, 2013 at 11:53 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Atheists would make good politicians with their ability to deflect almost anything.

Maybe if you could see the similarity in generalizing about theists from what some theist said on a discussion forum with generalizing about atheists the same way, you wouldn't be as wrong. As long as you think we're all alike, you're bound to be wrong. Just like when an atheist says something about Christians without qualifying it with words like 'some' or 'many'.

I don't see much chance to verify your speculation about our political skills given over 40% of Americans state they would never vote for an atheist for president. More would be willing to vote for a Muslim.

(June 26, 2013 at 12:49 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 11:39 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: You said that Jesus was a man, and that Christians are therefore Atheists.

However, Jesus Himself said He was God, and He is worshipped as such by Christians. Therefore, your analogy fails.

If I'm following the topic correctly, does this mean that the only difference between Jesus and Mao is that Jesus claimed to be god?

No

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Maybe if you could see the similarity in generalizing about theists from what some theist said on a discussion forum with generalizing about atheists the same way, you wouldn't as wrong. As long as you think we're all alike, you're bound to be wrong. Just like when an atheist says something about Christians without qualifying it with words like 'some' or 'many'.

I don't see much chance to verify your speculation about our political skills given over 40% of Americans state they would never vote for an atheist for president. More would be willing to vote for a Muslim.
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I think we are alike to the point that we are men of like passions and intellectual potential. Past that we are very different. However, I see a continuous thread of Atheist showing a superiority towards Theists that isn't there.

(June 26, 2013 at 12:50 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Religion and beliefs about deities are considered holy and therefore are not tested or questioned by their followers.

That is a false assumption. I tested and asked questions, and still do. If God is real He shouldn't be afraid to prove it, and I shouldn't be afraid to look for myself. I found my answer many times over.

I hear this a lot, and I tire of how vague it is.

What questions have you asked, and what were the answers? Be very specific about how you came to those answers. Please list as many of these questions and the answers you were "given" as possible to maximize your chances of establishing credibility.

I'm tired of hearing Christians claiming they've asked questions. Always so very nondescript about it. "I've asked questions." But they never tell us WHAT those questions were or what their answers were. Just vagueries.

So. Please. Demonstrate the questions and answers. After all, if you still hold your faith after doing so for yourself, surely you are confident enough to bare the Q&A to others so that they might see how right you are...right?

Unless, of course, you're wrong...and you realize you might be wrong...which is what I will assume if you refuse to provide anything, which won't really affect me, but it's something you're going to have to square with some day. Like I did. And lo, behold the results...

(June 26, 2013 at 12:50 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Religion and beliefs about deities are considered holy and therefore are not tested or questioned by their followers.

That is a false assumption. I tested and asked questions, and still do. If God is real He shouldn't be afraid to prove it, and I shouldn't be afraid to look for myself. I found my answer many times over.

Please do tell how exactly you tested your religion. What methods did you use? How did you record your results. What scientific journal were these results published in? Who peer reviewed your experiment?

This thread should be renamed "Hall of Logical Fallacy."

"Look, Science is flawed because it is performed by men. I shouldn't have to expose my children to such things if I choose not to. The Bible has a pretty solid track record, whether you believe it or not."

Hard to know what to say to that. Science doesn't have a better track record than the Bible? Really?

Do you drive a car? Do you have electricity in your house? Running water? Solar panels? TV? Radio? Microwave Oven? Stereo? Oven? Electric lights? Refrigeration? Air conditioning? A water heater? Mass produced clothing? Windows? A telephone? Internet? A computer? ....

When you go out do you use a car? A motorbike? Do you own a mobile phone? A GPS unit? (one of the few items we use that actively needs Einstein's relativity to work). Can I stop now? I've listed everything I can see from where I am sitting in my living room (except the Wii, DVD player, smart TV, fax, sub-woofer, remote controls, swiss army knife...oh crap).

And lets not talk about what happens when you get ill. Straight off to the local Son of God to get that Demon cast out of you PDQ - so much easier than the whole hospital thing with their x-rays, scanners, monitors, blood testing, pharmaceuticals, surgeries and all the rest of it.