(June 28, 2013 at 9:00 am)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, good luck. That's one of my favorite questions, btw.

Maybe one day Christians will look back, realizing the problem and insert a story that predates Christ's supposed ministry where Jesus suddenly has something like midi-chlorians.

(June 27, 2013 at 10:15 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 27, 2013 at 5:57 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: In other words, you can't satisfactorily answer the question and you know it.

I can satisfactorily answer the question to those who want to learn, but to those who are looking to ridicule all the answers in the world would not satisfy you.

Doubtlessly because your answers are ridiculous. They always have been to this point.

(June 28, 2013 at 7:49 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Try me.

Tell me what reason there possibly can be that a blood sacrifice would be needed to appease god.

Now that's funny

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(June 28, 2013 at 8:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: In fairness, I already expect that there can be no good answer

Symbolically, a blood sacrifice is necessary to end a tradition of blood sacrifice is it not? That was the point of the sacrifice.

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I've got to expand because I like the subject... :p

Do you accept that humans are not perfect? Then you accept we have reason to feel guilty at some point, if we face up to our limitations.

People found that giving something they prized felt like they were redressing a balance. Far better to be charitable than throw it away, but they thought payment to god/s weren't to be made to any man. Debt is owed to the debtor. Personal debts of imperfection are owed to whatever is perceived as perfect.

We strive to overcome our imperfection.

Some philosophies suggest we should learn to be happy with our imperfection. This is a model of an unjust world where there is reduced reason to act fairly. It's easy to see how humans thought sacrifice a better model.

Well, since the crucifixtion of Jesus never happened, I guess it doesn't matter how it supposedly helped the human race.

(June 28, 2013 at 8:58 am)Tonus Wrote:

(June 28, 2013 at 8:48 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: It's like his miracles only work if they're totally and completely complicated.

So Yahweh is just another Bond villain?

(June 28, 2013 at 11:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: ...a blood sacrifice is necessary to end a tradition of blood sacrifice is it not?

Why?

(June 28, 2013 at 11:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Do you accept that humans are not perfect? Then you accept we have reason to feel guilty at some point, if we face up to our limitations.

People found that giving something they prized felt like they were redressing a balance. Far better to be charitable than throw it away, but they thought payment to god/s weren't to be made to any man. Debt is owed to the debtor. Personal debts of imperfection are owed to whatever is perceived as perfect.

We strive to overcome our imperfection.

Some philosophies suggest we should learn to be happy with our imperfection. This is a model of an unjust world where there is reduced reason to act fairly. It's easy to see how humans thought sacrifice a better model.

So, people used sacrificing something valuable to them as some sort of self-punishment over the guilt they feel?

I've got an idea. How about dealing with imperfection by trying to truly understand why and how we are imperfect and coming up with solutions to lessen the impact of those imperfections?

But no, the better idea is to just spill some blood and say, "all is forgiven."

You missed off "symbolically" faith.

People do it all the time (make sacrifices). it's kinda a human thing. There's a reason for that.

Yeah I think I covered the practical alternative angle. I even credited it in your favour. I don't think we have trumped the theological angle yet. I don't see it as possible. We already have a perfect solution. That isn't to say we might not find better.

Self punishment... yes indeed.

Absolutely I think we're duty bound to try and resolve our problems. To defer to God would be anti God IMO.

(June 27, 2013 at 5:19 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Just one.

That's all.

Why does blood sacrifice make anything better?

The answer is simplicity itself: because God said so.

Even if you can not understand that the wages of all sin is death, and Jesus literally died in your place to attone for your sin you still can get because God said so. Because in the end God is the one who is judging you not Monty python. Therefore it is by His rules his standard that you will be judged.

(June 28, 2013 at 6:52 pm)Drich Wrote: The answer is simplicity itself: because God said so.

Even if you can not understand that the wages of all sin is death, and Jesus literally died in your place to attone for your sin you still can get because God said so. Because in the end God is the one who is judging you not Monty python. Therefore it is by His rules his standard that you will be judged.

That is honest, but only if you grant that every word god supposedly said is equally good and right. If you grant that, then ok. The bible supports slavery, will you say that is good, because god said so, and it's his standards you live by?

Christians would often say this part is a metaphor, this part is the old testament, jesus didn't really mean sell everything you have, on and on and on.

If you can really interpret what god actually commanded, and what he meant as a metaphor and which part of the old testament doesn't apply, It's high time you revamped the bible so the rest of us aren't so confused.

(June 27, 2013 at 10:32 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(June 27, 2013 at 6:27 pm)catfish Wrote: It doesn't...
Blood sacrifices supposedly were NOT command by God, read the Bible...

What about all those burnt offerings in Leviticus which were a sweet smell to God?

Ummm, yeah... Those were a lie according to Jeremiah. "God never commanded, blah blah blah..."...