(July 19, 2013 at 6:17 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Conservatives error on the side of life, Liberals error on the side of death.

Conservatives err on the side of pro-birth, because they care nothing about the life once it is born. Liberals err on the side of freedom.

(July 19, 2013 at 6:27 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Conservatives err on the side of pro-birth, because they care nothing about the life once it is born. Liberals err on the side of freedom.

How is killing a baby valuing its freedom?

(July 19, 2013 at 7:04 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: How is killing a baby valuing its freedom?

A fetus is not considered to possess personhood. Therefore, it has no individual freedom.

(July 19, 2013 at 6:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Oh, so you oppose capital punishment now? This is progress.

Since you support killing babies do you also support killing murderers? Oops!

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(July 19, 2013 at 7:06 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: A fetus is not considered to possess personhood. Therefore, it has no individual freedom.

According to whom? You? I am sorry but you do not have the prerogative to determine which human beings are people and which ones are not.

(July 19, 2013 at 7:06 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: According to whom?

According to the medical profession as well as those who ensure abortion is legal.

(July 19, 2013 at 7:11 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: According to the medical profession as well as those who ensure abortion is legal.

The medical profession? How is personhood a medical and not a philosophical question? Why do those who ensure abortion is illegal get to decide which humans are people and which ones are not? This sounds so much like slavery to me. Back then legislatures didn’t think blacks were people either.

because rape is the indefesible argument for arbotion rights no sane human being would force a raped woman too carry and raise her rape baby the trauma of rape is horrible enough without a living reminder, such a thing would likely result in the mother's suicide, conservatives do not care about the poor let's remeber that.......... the rich can have a safe illegal abortion while the poor cannot afford it...... there's also the race issue that states many people of poor life in america ie non-whites lifes improved around the same time as abortion rights came into affect.....while the poor were no longer having children at 14 they ended up living much more prosperous and succesful loves they went on too college and did not result in a life of crime...... in fact there was a study suggetsing the massive crime drop in the early 90's in america was atleast a 50% direct result of abortion rihts

(July 19, 2013 at 6:17 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: What’s the point of this thread? Conservatives error on the side of life, Liberals error on the side of death. We get it.

I'm a pro life liberal myself, Statler. But the laws are the laws. The point of this thread (if you read the first paragraph) is mainly to complain about religion dictating PUBLIC sevants' policy making (in the face of democratic laws already passed) and to also let me vent about the stigmatisms my society deals with on a day to day basis at the hands of ignoramus bigots who proliferate an environment of oppression.

(July 19, 2013 at 7:04 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: How is killing a baby valuing its freedom?

Do you have a socialy viable alternative for abortion?

If not (and I asked that question before) go and annoy someone else!!

A lot of people seems to be forgetting that allowing abortion is only to provide safe abortions. Because people who really want abortions (rape victims) will try their best to miscarriage/abort their pregnancies.