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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 11:59 am
(July 23, 2013 at 4:45 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: oh, so you do agree that the human body is not perfect. so your god purposefully created imperfect bodies or he's incapable of doing better? Which?
Neither, I stated earlier that I was trying to keep the fall and sin out of this conversation, why are you avoiding showing a better design.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 12:08 pm
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(July 23, 2013 at 11:59 am)Godschild Wrote: ...I stated earlier that I was trying to keep the fall and sin out of this conversation...
Earlier on in this thread...
Quote:None of those existed in the creation before the fall, God said of the creation, "it is good," He would not have said that if anything was wrong. Again you are unable to give me a better design, you brought up the argument, man up little boy and defend it with facts, I've defended my side with facts.
Good job.
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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 12:26 pm
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(July 23, 2013 at 1:20 am)Godschild Wrote: When someone starts talking about breathing out of their elbow, I no longer can take anything they say as intelligent,
Stimbo Wrote:Why? It's hardly an outrageous expectation of a designer god with literally infinite imagination. After all, insects, certain spiders and some types of fish breathe through holes in their skins or exoskeletons. Or what about photosynthesis, as in most plants and algae? Converting sunlight into chemical energy would remove the dangerous chewing and swallowing part from the equation altogether. Why should humans end up being fobbed off with a "design" that is potentially lethal to us?
Apparently the one he chose was the one that pleased the creator. Just as an artist paints a picture to please himself, not others. You breath through a hole in your skin and skeleton, some insect larva breath through there butt end, you what to be a butt sniffer. If you desire to be a plant then bury your feet in the ground and stand there, you do know without the root system plants would not be able to survive no matter how much sun they get.
(July 23, 2013 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: By the way if we breathed through our elbow, wearing long sleeves would be a smothering experience, swimming would be an difficult activity. Breaking ones's arm would make it difficult to put a cast on, and believe me snotty sleeves would be nasty, unless your a kid forever. I know there are other disadvantages, but it's late and I can't think of any at the moment.
Stimbo Wrote:Don't bother, because you haven't thought of one yet. Do you seriously, genuinely believe that humans would design clothing to fit the human body shape as it currently stands, in the event that human bodies were "designed" to a completelu different body plan? We would certainly have accomodated our breathing aperture, wherever it might be located, into the design of our clothing and other areas of oir lives. After all, how many items of clothing do you own that don't take your mouth and nose into consideration?
I have hats and ear muffs, shoes and socks, pants and shirts none have needed to consider my nose or mouth. Seems our intakes for air and food are in the right place.
(July 23, 2013 at 12:08 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: (July 23, 2013 at 11:59 am)Godschild Wrote: ...I stated earlier that I was trying to keep the fall and sin out of this conversation...
Earlier on in this thread...
Quote:None of those existed in the creation before the fall, God said of the creation, "it is good," He would not have said that if anything was wrong. Again you are unable to give me a better design, you brought up the argument, man up little boy and defend it with facts, I've defended my side with facts.
Good job.
Cornered and I'll bring it up.
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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 12:28 pm
I'm sorry, this is too much. GC, you crack me up so bad.
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July 23, 2013 at 12:41 pm
@ Stimbo, BWS and MS, I'm enjoying your epic fail, why want you actually act like adults and propose a better system and an explanation of how it works better, or just be quite and stop showing your stupidity it's unbecoming, though it fits you three perfectly.
I said I've tried not to bring the fall and sin into this conversation, but when you want to add things outside the system I will bring it up, if you could concentrate and stay on subject and actually a better design I would not have to waste time with you... and I'm not if you can't be anything but childish and not propose a better design then we're finished.
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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 12:45 pm
GC, you obviously need to go make your own message board where the people there will have to adhere to your own rules of debate. I just wonder how they're going to learn these rules if there is no evident coherency to them, but good luck anyway.
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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 1:04 pm
(July 23, 2013 at 12:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: @ Stimbo, BWS and MS, I'm enjoying your epic fail, why want you actually act like adults and propose a better system and an explanation of how it works better, or just be quite and stop showing your stupidity it's unbecoming, though it fits you three perfectly.
So you would say that those who can't already explain everything and know it are the stupid, but if you shout loudly enough that you have the answer (whether you have any evidence for it or not) then you're a genius. 
I'm not sure it works that way.
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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Why should we have to come up with a better system for breathing and eating? We were merely pointing out where we thought the design was flawed. Are you honestley asking us to design a better system within a few hours of talking about it? If you are, you are being ridiculous and you know it. I don't know why you are taking this tone with us. Its obviously a subject that touches a nerve for you but there is no need to be so rude about disagreeing with us.
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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm
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(July 22, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 22, 2013 at 11:41 am)Psykhronic Wrote: Considering all of the nothing you have offered for a refutation I won't take your words to heart.
Good, I was not looking for your approval.
Good, because you won't be getting it.
(July 23, 2013 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 23, 2013 at 1:29 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I don't see what the problem is. God can't create someone who breathes out of their elbow? I thought it was omnipotent.
A good design, by whose standards? The human body is riddled with problems. 1-3 % of all babies ever born will have deformities requiring medical interventions. We're not even counting handicaps that show up later in life. We're not even counting miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies yet. The system is highly flawed. You seem to think that we can't do any better than god did? yea, but why are you limiting god's abilities to our level? we're humans.
I have only addressed the topic of breathing and swallowing and have shown that there are greater benefits to the design than flaws, I've purposely stayed away from the original created persons and the sin that followed so we would not get distracted. You don't like the fact that the design benefits man with much greater purpose, you want to beat on one thing instead of looking at the whole. And you all want to through up science to me, use it yourself, please.
By the way if we breathed through our elbow, wearing long sleeves would be a smothering experience, swimming would be an difficult activity. Breaking ones's arm would make it difficult to put a cast on, and believe me snotty sleeves would be nasty, unless your a kid forever. I know there are other disadvantages, but it's late and I can't think of any at the moment.
(July 23, 2013 at 2:03 am)Michael Schubert Wrote: Yep, there it is again: The Argument Ad Hominem Fallacy.
And badwritersparty is correct, the throat and windpipe are pretty inconvenient features.
You're just afraid to address the argument you brought to the table, childish at least ignorant is most likely.
Your argument is ignorant. The evolved system we have is a makeshift, jerry-rigged one. Separate breathing and eating systems would not pose the the chocking problem and each could be more effeicient.
But it wasn't designed. It evolved.
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RE: Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?
July 23, 2013 at 1:52 pm
(July 23, 2013 at 12:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: @ Stimbo, BWS and MS, I'm enjoying your epic fail, why want you actually act like adults and propose a better system and an explanation of how it works better, or just be quite and stop showing your stupidity it's unbecoming, though it fits you three perfectly.
I said I've tried not to bring the fall and sin into this conversation, but when you want to add things outside the system I will bring it up, if you could concentrate and stay on subject and actually a better design I would not have to waste time with you... and I'm not if you can't be anything but childish and not propose a better design then we're finished.
Evolution is a proven fact, which disproves the creation passages in the Holy Bible. Paleontologists and scientists have proven that God did not create man in one fell swoop (or over the course of six days), we are descended with modification from Homo Sapiens. I explained all of this to you in the original post.
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