We have a gang of xtian assholes who are trying to re-write history to put their silly godboy into the process. Any day now they will rewrite the constitution to put "jesus" in it and claim it is the real one!

There really is no reasoning with these fools.

Whether they're out of context or fabricated aren't even where the problem begins. The problem begins with the notion that words spoken by these founding fathers are infallible on basis that they're founding fathers.

(July 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: Whether they're out of context or fabricated aren't even where the problem begins. The problem begins with the notion that words spoken by these founding fathers are infallible on basis that they're founding fathers.

No one is saying 'infallible' - you are creating a strawman there.

What was said then, by them, informs us as to intent and meaning of the Constitution and to their vision.

e.g.
“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
~John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

(July 24, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: What was said then, by them, informs us as to intent and meaning of the Constitution and to their vision.

I know, and so why people think their words are relevant is beyond me.

(July 24, 2013 at 2:37 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Why does the USA obsess with the past this way?

Probably because conservatives want to return to "the good ol' days" as Minimalist described. Most conservatives hate the progress that's been made the past 100, hell make that 200, years in this country as far as civil rights and freedom. They'd love to go back to a time where certain members of society were oppressed just for being born anything other than a white male landowner.

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(July 24, 2013 at 2:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Any day now they will rewrite the constitution to put "jesus" in it and claim it is the real one!

Kind of like how Andy Schlafly is rewriting the bible to make it fit with conservative views.

Quote:What was said then, by them, informs us as to intent and meaning of the Constitution and to their vision.

But that is exactly the point. They devised a white, male, nirvana. Who gives a flying fuck why they did it? It is yesterday's news.

(July 24, 2013 at 5:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:What was said then, by them, informs us as to intent and meaning of the Constitution and to their vision.

But that is exactly the point. They devised a white, male, nirvana. Who gives a flying fuck why they did it? It is yesterday's news.

What's todays news?

Apparently it is still the fucking royal rug rat.

(July 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: Whether they're out of context or fabricated aren't even where the problem begins. The problem begins with the notion that words spoken by these founding fathers are infallible on basis that they're founding fathers.

Kind of like how Thomas Jefferson changed his mind half-way through.

(July 24, 2013 at 5:26 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote:

(July 24, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: What was said then, by them, informs us as to intent and meaning of the Constitution and to their vision.

I know, and so why people think their words are relevant is beyond me.

Probably because the U.S. still operates under that very same Constitution.

I would have thought that obvious.