(August 20, 2013 at 4:44 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: GC: The fact that there are millions of gay Christians kinda undermines your whole "It's against my religion" bullcrap, don't you think?
You aren't against homosexuality because of scripture, you're against homosexuality because you're a bigot. To prove this, open your Bible, read the whole of Leviticus and have a think about how you feel about each and every one of the rules outlined there. All of them. They are equally valid, equally the word of god. If you feel exactly the same about all of it, then yeah, I'm wrong, you are just following scripture in your beliefs. However, if you are totally fine with, say, Lev 19:19 for example, then you need to rethink where your views are really coming from.

I, however, have come to the conclusion that homosexuality is the result of being bitten by a gay spider. How the spiders become gay is something I need to think about some more.

You need to support your numbers, I have doubts they are correct. Just because there are practicing gays who claim to be Christians doesn't mean they are Christians, I know people who claim to be Christians and I believe they are as lost as last years Easter egg.
I've read Leviticus a number of times, some of the laws were meant only for the nation of Israel and some for all mankind, so one needs to study this book carefully to know the laws. That particular verse was meant for the nation of Israel and you have no idea what it is implying and I know this because you can only see what is written in the passage and not how it was applied to their lives, it was very relevant to them and there journey with God. In spirit that law has been carried into Christianity by Jesus.
Let's get this clear, I see the practice of homosexuality unnatural, even before I became a Christian, I'm not bigoted that would include hate and I do not hate homosexuals period.

GC

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(August 20, 2013 at 1:16 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: so would you also deny these people their right to express their views through the vote.

If I personally ran the world, yes, because I do not care for the intolerant bigotry theistitards attempt to enforce under the guise of morality.

However, you are entitled to your vote, just as white supremacists were entitled to their vote to keep blacks as slaves and maintain segregation. Fortunately, those who hold to outdated views tend to eventually find themselves in the minority when it comes to voting, which has become more apparent due to gay marriage being legalized throughout the world. Your vote is not going to count one of these days, and what a glorious day that will be.

Thanks for your thoughts.

GC

I think heterosexuality is unnatural. A penis should not go in a vagina. It's icky.

(August 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: I think heterosexuality is unnatural. A penis should not go in a vagina. It's icky.

Heterophobe!!!!111

(August 20, 2013 at 8:47 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: At least Drich had the sense to concede this point (without first looking like he was conceding it). All the Bible does is condemn gay sex, but not homosexuality itself.

I see you continue with the same problem, if you even read what I post you read into it what you want to argue not what I've stated. If you had taken the time to correctly read what I posted you would have seen that I stated the scriptures do not condemn homosexuality, it condemns the actions taken. These discussions could go better if you would read what I say and not what you want me to say.

GC

(August 20, 2013 at 2:28 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(August 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: I think heterosexuality is unnatural. A penis should not go in a vagina. It's icky.

Heterophobe!!!!111

I am afraid of straight people, in that I am afraid that they will kill me for being gay.

(August 20, 2013 at 1:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: You need to support your numbers, I have doubts they are correct. Just because there are practicing gays who claim to be Christians doesn't mean they are Christians, I know people who claim to be Christians and I believe they are as lost as last years Easter egg.
I've read Leviticus a number of times, some of the laws were meant only for the nation of Israel and some for all mankind, so one needs to study this book carefully to know the laws. That particular verse was meant for the nation of Israel and you have no idea what it is implying and I know this because you can only see what is written in the passage and not how it was applied to their lives, it was very relevant to them and there journey with God. In spirit that law has been carried into Christianity by Jesus.
Let's get this clear, I see the practice of homosexuality unnatural, even before I became a Christian, I'm not bigoted that would include hate and I do not hate homosexuals period.

Firstly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Secondly, isn't is spooky how the rules you decide were "meant for the nation of Israel" are the ones you disagree with, and the ones you decide were "for all mankind" are the ones you do?

Thirdly, "I see the paractice of homosexuality unnatural" is not any kind of argument. If "unnatural" things were actually an issue for you, you certainly wouldn't be on the fucking internet.

(August 20, 2013 at 11:35 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(August 20, 2013 at 11:14 am)whateverist Wrote: What does you gay-dar read for Jesus? I've always had my suspicions .. not that there is anything wrong with that.

He roamed the desert with twelve men. What do you think?

He was really, really into hiking?

Quote:the scriptures do not condemn homosexuality, it condemns the actions taken.

So, 1 could be gay, but have no gay rights. Nice.

(August 20, 2013 at 1:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not hate homosexuals period.

Yet you would seek to deny them equal treatment under the law of this country.

What shall we call that?

(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: No I'm not. In my state gay marriage is not allowed and we're not alone in this matter most states do not allow gay marriage. In those states that do allow gay marriage it has come by vote and that vote was pushed by the gay community.

So, your response to an accusation of ignorance is to display even more ignorance? The changes in laws to allow for gay marriages have come primarily through litigation, then legislation and then popular vote. The LGBT community doesn't need to initiate a popular vote movement because challenging the law via litigation is a much better option - which is why it rarely does so. Its the Christian community that tries to change the laws by appealing to public opinion.

(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you want to stand for gay marriage that's okay with me and it's my right to stand against it and in all this discussion that's all I've been trying to say.

The right to stand for or against it shouldn't be available to anyone - that's what I've been trying to say. We don't argue over whether we stand for or against heterosexual marriage or someone's right to work. The question of whether or not to allow it shouldn't come up at all - it should be allowed, period.

(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: I would be against gay marriage if I wasn't a Christian, so my Christianity does not change how I see this issue, it is in my opinion unnatural and I do know non Christians who feel this way.

Yes, I get that people can be bigots without religion. I get that you are a bigot and that you are not a bigot simply due to your religion, but your religion simply provides a handy excuse for your bigotry.

(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: These people would vote against gay marriage without religious conviction, so would you also deny these people their right to express their views through the vote.

Where the issue in question is civil liberties - yes, I would.