(August 20, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(August 20, 2013 at 1:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not hate homosexuals period.

Yet you would seek to deny them equal treatment under the law of this country.

What shall we call that?

Pretty fucked up?

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(August 20, 2013 at 4:23 pm)Ryantology Wrote: GC believes in the ignorance that is creationism, so par for the course.

To be fair his ignorance does come from the bible.

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(August 20, 2013 at 6:57 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I wonder if Godschild has ever stumbled upon Gay porn. I would love to see his reaction to that. What...? Two women? Oh no, in the heterosexual world of porn this is totally not gay, as far as people like him are concerned.

Are you kidding me? Christians are as addicted to porn as it gets. They have 'naughty' lust .. god only knows what for but I'll bet gay porn gets lots of play since it is so very, very naughty.

(August 21, 2013 at 12:26 am)Godschild Wrote: Everything you just described is by vote and yes they do appeal to the populace, if they did not they would never get it legalized, the Christian community is voting it's belief a right established over 200 years ago.
You can bet the Christian community did not push this agenda, so who's left, homosexuals.

Everytime I think that your ignorance has hit rock-bottom, you prove me wrong by revealing new depths.

Your constitution provides a way to legalize unpopular issues while circumventing the public opinion via your judiciary. And that is how they did it. The first case allowing same-sex marriage was Baehr v. Miike 1993 Hawaii and as a wave of of retaliation, the Christian community rallied the popular vote to amend their state constitutions to ban same sex-marriages and pass DOMA federally. The Christians were the ones pushing the issue through popular vote - not the homosexuals.

(August 21, 2013 at 12:26 am)Godschild Wrote: Are you crazy people have the right to stand for whatever they want. You in this statement are disallowing homosexuals the right to pursue marriage. The last part of your statement is completely opinion, which is fine, but you will find many who do not agree with you.

Are you stupid? I'm saying that homosexuals should automatically have the right to pursue marriage. You do not have the right to stand for whatever you want - especially when what you stand for is denying someone else their rights.

(August 21, 2013 at 12:26 am)Godschild Wrote: Bigotry contains and as I've stated in these discussions I do not hate gays, so you can come off your attitude for what I see as unnatural.

Evidence suggests you are lying about not hating gays - given that homosexuality is not unnatural and you do not seem to be against everything that can be regarded as unnatural. Therefore, bigot.

(August 21, 2013 at 12:26 am)Godschild Wrote: So you're a socialist, one who would dictate to people what is right and wrong regardless of how the people feel, this is America and we decide by the vote.

Ummm, no, because,

a) A socialist is someone who believes that all means of production should be owned by the government - not someone who dictates right or wrong. That would be your god.

b) I'm not dictating your beliefs about right and wrong - I'm limiting your ability to to dictate your beliefs on others.

c) Even in America, the issues of civil liberties are decided in courts - not by popular vote.

(August 21, 2013 at 12:26 am)Godschild Wrote: Sorry but that's is a very stupid statement at the least, and yes homosexuality is unnatural.

Sorry, but that's a very stupid statement and yes, homosexuality is natural.

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(August 21, 2013 at 1:16 am)Godschild Wrote: If homosexual acts were natural God would not call them an abomination would He. Why are you trying so hard to be ridiculous.
Read Romans 1:18-32 and you will see that the NT speaks against these an other acts and condemns those who support such actions.
Now you will see why I feel the way I do, and I'm done with this discussion.

Hold yer horses. Let's get this straight first.

You said, and I quote:

Quote:I would be against gay marriage if I wasn't a Christian, so my Christianity does not change how I see this issue, it is in my opinion unnatural.

Here you clearly say that your views on homosexuality are not a product of your religion.

However, now, the only reason you seem capable of giving for considering it as "unnatural" is your religion. Now your statement is that your views on homosexuality are a product of your religion.

So, either you were lying then, or you are lying now or you are so stupid that you don't even see the contradiction. Which is it?

Godschild Wrote:So you're a socialist, one who would dictate to people what is right and wrong regardless of how the people feel, this is America and we decide by the vote.

So, if the people put into legislation that minorities cannot vote, is that okay, or are there certain rights that cannot be denied, regardless of the opinion of the people?

We live in a constitutional republic, which does not allow the majority to vote away rights of the minority. For someone that is always bringing up the constitution, you should actually follow its intent.

(August 21, 2013 at 7:17 am)Faith No More Wrote: We live in a constitutional republic, which does not allow the majority to vote away rights of the minority. For someone that is always bringing up the constitution, you should actually follow its intent.

Consistently applied positions? From a christian?

(August 21, 2013 at 7:45 am)Esquilax Wrote: Consistently applied positions? From a christian?

I know, I know. As I said before, I can be foolishly idealistic sometimes.

(August 21, 2013 at 2:06 am)genkaus Wrote:

(August 21, 2013 at 1:16 am)Godschild Wrote: If homosexual acts were natural God would not call them an abomination would He. Why are you trying so hard to be ridiculous.
Read Romans 1:18-32 and you will see that the NT speaks against these an other acts and condemns those who support such actions.
Now you will see why I feel the way I do, and I'm done with this discussion.

Hold yer horses. Let's get this straight first.

You said, and I quote:

Quote:I would be against gay marriage if I wasn't a Christian, so my Christianity does not change how I see this issue, it is in my opinion unnatural.

Here you clearly say that your views on homosexuality are not a product of your religion.

However, now, the only reason you seem capable of giving for considering it as "unnatural" is your religion. Now your statement is that your views on homosexuality are a product of your religion.

So, either you were lying then, or you are lying now or you are so stupid that you don't even see the contradiction. Which is it?

Both are true, before I was a Christian I saw it as unnatural and it is, after becoming a Christian my belief was further supported by what God says as the Creator. Evidence then more, simple really, at least for those who seek truth.
You claim it's natural yet I see no proof of your claim, not even an opinion other than it's natural.

GC

I see no logical claim that it is unnatural other than the typical yuck response.

(August 21, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Godschild Wrote: You claim it's natural yet I see no proof of your claim, not even an opinion other than it's natural.

GC

Will this do? Oh, and to cut you off at the pass, I know you'll claim that those animals are just fucking on instinct, with no awareness of gender. You've used that excuse before. The answer to that is to go look at the section on primates: I don't think the monkeys giving each other handjobs are under any illusions that what they're having sex with is female.

(August 21, 2013 at 1:55 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: I see no logical claim that it is unnatural other than the typical yuck response.

I'm pretty sure if he can learn to control his gag reflex and just prays on it, he might change his mind.

As I said, GC, the antonym of "abomination" is not natural. Why is this? Because "abomination" doesn't mean unnatural. Therefore, when your bible labels homosexual acts as an abomination, it's not calling it unnatural. God is just saying he hates it. Yes, that's what abomination means, so no need to go getting your panties in a twist about this revelation.

So now that we have that taken care of, what's your secular reasoning for believing homosexuality is unnatural, because you certainly couldn't have gotten this idea from your god.