(August 28, 2013 at 5:36 pm)ronedee Wrote: Hard to party with a bunch of demons with the lights off.

Sounds like someone lacks a bit of imagination!

(August 28, 2013 at 5:54 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(August 28, 2013 at 5:46 pm)Brakeman Wrote: When someone I care for dies, I feel sad because I can't see them anymore. God can see anyone anytime he likes, even if they are in hell.

A more apt analogy is whether a psychopathic torturer loves his children he has in the basement dungeon screaming from excruciating pain, enduring punishment for not obeying him. They were also not taught how to behave by their father to avoid this unforgiving punishment, but had to try to pick up the rules from other kids. Does he really feel disappointment?

There won't be anyone in Hell that doesn't want to be there! So, you can feel good again about God!

On what basis do you make this wild claim? No one would want to be in hell, so it would be empty. All of that flies in the face of all the christian doctrines I've heard of, and I'm a PK, so I've heard of a lot of them.

(August 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Lying to children regarding something that is not real. How sad.

The big lie would be to say there was no God, or His promise. Unless you have proof to the contrary for the child?

(August 28, 2013 at 11:50 pm)ronedee Wrote: Unless you have proof to the contrary for the child?

No proof for god's existence is all the proof needed that he is imaginary.

(August 28, 2013 at 9:06 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Damn, ronedee... that is truly disgusting that you would lie to your child like that. You realize that a good percentage of the bitter atheists that exist are because of parents like you, right? If not, I hope you really think about that.

Actually the good percentage of Christians...are, well STILL Christians!

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(August 28, 2013 at 11:51 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(August 28, 2013 at 11:50 pm)ronedee Wrote: Unless you have proof to the contrary for the child?

No proof for god's existence is all the proof needed that he is imaginary.

Ok... and when you were dead...you didn't look around just to see if maybe he was around, before the trip back?

(August 28, 2013 at 11:50 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(August 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Lying to children regarding something that is not real. How sad.

The big lie would be to say there was no God, or His promise. Unless you have proof to the contrary for the child?

If a child asks me, I'll say there are a lot of gods that people believe in. But none of them have any proof, and I don't believe in one.

That is a lot more honest than saying heaven is like disneyland.

You still haven't answered my question.

If a father says to his children, live with me forever or burn in a pit. Is he abusive or is he Christlike?

(August 28, 2013 at 11:52 pm)ronedee Wrote: Ok... and when you were dead...you didn't look around just to see if maybe he was around, before the trip back?

I never had a near death experience.

(August 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: So he's not the same as an abusive parent despite doing the same things because he told us he is "loving and merciful", and if we don't live with him forever we'll burn in hell and be proven right about what we thought about him (being an abusive parent)?

We have the choice. Do you want eternal life? Yes or No?

(August 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I didn't ask you to judge god, I asked you to judge this hypothetical dad. I asked you if he was abusive, in your opinion, or is he Christlike?

No. Abusive is wrong. God is Good!

But, he won't take abuse from us either! Just like I wouldn't take abuse from my children. If I couldn't help them with love and understanding, I would put them out of my house, and life if necessary.

(August 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I just want to make sure I didn't misinterpret you.

Anyway, I don't want to live with god forever because i don't think I want to live forever, let alone with the same person for all eternity. Also he's not real, so, you know.

Well, as i said... wouldn't you want to see what it is He has to offer? I mean, it's free too! Free is Good?

Is it so bad to say: "I don't know?" Rather than; "There is no God"?

Does it hurt so bad to open your mind to that possibility?

All we need do is ask Him in all sincerity! The answers come.

(August 29, 2013 at 12:10 am)ronedee Wrote:

(August 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: So he's not the same as an abusive parent despite doing the same things because he told us he is "loving and merciful", and if we don't live with him forever we'll burn in hell and be proven right about what we thought about him (being an abusive parent)?

We have the choice. Do you want eternal life? Yes or No?

I thought I quite clearly said no. But there's no choice right? Hell or heaven, both eternal, so why do you ask?

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(August 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I didn't ask you to judge god, I asked you to judge this hypothetical dad. I asked you if he was abusive, in your opinion, or is he Christlike?

No. Abusive is wrong. God is Good!

But, he won't take abuse from us either! Just like I wouldn't take abuse from my children. If I couldn't help them with love and understanding, I would put them out of my house, and life if necessary.

So is this dad good or abusive? You think he's good now? So if a dad can abuse his child if his child refuses to say "I love you" or wants to move out when he's 18? And he'll be as good as God and not considered abusive. I'll agree he's as good as god. He's also abusive.

Abuse from us? Do you know what abuse means? Withholding love isn't abuse. Torturing someone is abuse.

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(August 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I just want to make sure I didn't misinterpret you.

Anyway, I don't want to live with god forever because i don't think I want to live forever, let alone with the same person for all eternity. Also he's not real, so, you know.

Well, as i said... wouldn't you want to see what it is He has to offer? I mean, it's free too! Free is Good?

It's not free. It requires that I pay 10% of my earnings, and every Sunday of my life not working but going to church. It requires that I lie to myself constantly and abstain from "sins" such as sex before marriage and divorces (depending on what branch of Christianity you believe in), and also not have any abortions. It also requires that I swallow my disgust and worship a god that will send many of my friends to hell. I can go on, but I think you get the idea.

Quote:Is it so bad to say: "I don't know?" Rather than; "There is no God"?

Is it so bad to say there is no god? That's not what I say anyway, I say I believe there is no god. Anyway, burden of proof and all that.

Quote:Does it hurt so bad to open your mind to that possibility?

Actually yes it does. My buddhist greatgrandmother died when I was a Christian. It really hurt a lot, for many many nights I couldn't sleep thinking she was burning in hell. After that incident I stopped taking hell seriously. I wished that had been enough to make me an atheist, but I got there eventually so.

Quote:All we need do is ask Him in all sincerity! The answers come.

I don't know what you mean. I don't have any questions for god.

(August 29, 2013 at 12:10 am)ronedee Wrote: We have the choice. Do you want eternal life? Yes or No

Yes, but I prefer to reside in reality where I understand and accept that eternity is merely a fairy tale concocted by those who cannot abide by dying and ceasing to exist. Eternal life in heaven and vampires have something in common, the unwillingness to accept the inevitable.

(August 29, 2013 at 12:10 am)ronedee Wrote: No. Abusive is wrong. God is Good!

(August 29, 2013 at 12:10 am)ronedee Wrote: But, he won't take abuse from us either! Just like I wouldn't take abuse from my children.

The difference is that I do not see you throwing your children in a fiery pit when they misbehave. If you did that, you would be considered as evil as your god.