(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

Pet peeve: when people say Christianity like it's a single unified theology. Take to a 7th day Adventist and you'll find they take the old testament quite seriously. Different Christian groups put different stock in the Old Testament but as far as I know all of them but the very most liberal Christians believe that it is inspired by God to a certain extent.

2 John, 1


7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

MORE COMPASSION AND FORGIVENESS I SEE.

(September 9, 2013 at 12:19 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Wow...

You have to remember, this is the religion where the primary cornerstone of their faith, the one which perhaps all the variations on the theme share, is the belief that...

1. God saw this thing called "sin" in the world and...
2. ...decided the only way to solve that problem was to send himself down to earth as his own son who was also himself and yet a separate person from himself...
3. ...to offer himself up as the ultimate blood sacrifice to atone for sin...
4. ....because bleeding on a cross was the only way that he could convince himself...
5. ...to change a rule he made in the first place and forgive us all for being the sinful beings we are...
6. ...which we are because an ancestor of ours who was made from a rib ate a magic fruit after she spoke with a talking snake...
7. ...and anyone who doesn't believe this story is going to be tortured in Hell forever by the god who loves us all so much...

P.S. ...oh, and love is evil when the body parts are similar.

So really, why should we expect the details to be any more rational?

(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

You do realize these scriptures say otherwise, yes? And that I alone have thrown them at you numerous times, yes?

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

2) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

Same dick god, Drich.

(September 9, 2013 at 1:27 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Deuteronomy and Leviticus are FULL of crazy shit. How can so many people, who would otherwise be intelligent, gather on sundays to worship a God from a book that contains all of this stuff?? I can't figure it out.

What if you knew with out doubt, that God was real and full filled the promises He made in the bible after you did what He asked? Would you worship Him? even if your friends thought badly of you?

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(September 9, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

If it is part of the bible you revere, then it is part of your religion. Stop cherry-picking.

Uh, no.

Animal sacrifices are apart of said bible, but are not apart of my 'religion.' So too, are all of the other OT practices.

(heck animal sacrifices are not even apart of modern Judaism.)

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(September 9, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

Then why did you dickheads attach it to your fucking bible? Is there a disclaimer on the front that says "For historical interest only. Pay it no mind?"

How can you lie like that and still think you are a xtian? Oh, right. the prohibition against lying is in the OT.

Romans 6 explains the reason for the 'law' and why it was given. (read the whole chapter it will take 5 mins.)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV

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(September 9, 2013 at 1:53 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: 2 John, 1


7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

MORE COMPASSION AND FORGIVENESS I SEE.

no idea what you are trying to say.

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(September 9, 2013 at 1:39 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

The problem is that it's still the same god. We know you have justified to yourself why you don't have to follow these rules, but the fact remains that you still worship a god that thought these rules were a good idea.

'rules' (how ever foolish) are created for one purpose. To alter the behavior of a given people.

If there was a 'rule' it is because there was also a habitual problem with people doing whatever 'stupid' thing you want to make fun of now.

God did not create these rules just because. He created them because at that time in that culture the rules He passed down stemmed off a societal problem.

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(September 9, 2013 at 1:42 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

Pet peeve: when people say Christianity like it's a single unified theology. Take to a 7th day Adventist and you'll find they take the old testament quite seriously. Different Christian groups put different stock in the Old Testament but as far as I know all of them but the very most liberal Christians believe that it is inspired by God to a certain extent.

Pet peeve: being labled a 'liberal Christian' simply because I am not a legalistic one. If you have read the NT you will see a separation from the OT. If you are a biblical believing Christian you also have to acknoweledge and honor this separation in your faith. while all the while still acknoweledgeing the OT as we are instructed.

I don't make up the rules, but I do follow them.

Yo drich, do you follow the ten commandments? Cause they are in the old testament. If you follow the ten commandments but nothing else from the old testament, that makes you a huge hypocrite. You either believe all of it, or you believe none of it. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite for cherry picking the things you like

It actually speaks to the fact that Drich is more moral than his god; he rejects the parts of the Bible he knows shouldn't be followed nowadays for fear of legal prosecution, but he holds to the parts that make him warm and fuzzy inside. (But I doubt Drich is fuzzy on the outside.)

I really thought Minnie was going to bring these passages up (again) not you. Maybe 7 was his lucky number. lets rest the clock and see how many times I will have to explain the same thing to you.

(September 9, 2013 at 2:04 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: You do realize these scriptures say otherwise, yes?

Actually they don't.

Quote: And that I alone have thrown them at you numerous times, yes?

That is why I am are resting the clock for you.

Quote:1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

You do know being 'least in the kingdom' is the coveted position here right?
(Mat 20:16)

Quote:2) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

That just it! nothing in the Law has Changed. What was a sin still is a sin. This is why our 'righteousness' is tied to attonement (Which is a Greater righteousness than the scribes and Pharisees Jesus taught about in Mat 5.) and not following the Law as a way to 'earn righteousness.' (like the Pharisees.)

Quote:3) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Amen. This means Christian and Non Christian alike have both been identified as being life long sinners. That at no point we are without sin. which mean we can not earn righteousness by trying to adhear to the Law. (Because after Mat 5 Christ identified us as being all sin all of the time when He expanded the Law of moses to include thought)

Now couple that with what we are told: that if we break even the smallest part of the Law we are guilty of breaking the whole/all of Law. If we break the whole Law then nothing we can do can make us righteous again.

enter Christ and His blood attonement. If we accept, we now have a righteousness greater than the righteousness of the Pharisees/scribes. when we accept Christ's attonemment. For the rest, (who do not accept this gift) they are guilty of said Law Christians have been made free from. Fore the Law did not go away. It is still there for us to know what sin is and that we need to repent of it. If we do not then that every law will be used to condemn us.

Why? Because Any of the sins we commit deserve Death. Christ took that sin upon Himself and died in our place. When we accept and are baptized into Christ's death. we in essence trade the Spottlessness of Christ for our sin. (all of our sin.) That is what makes the Righteousness Christ offers through Attonement more righteous than what the pharasees tried to earn, trying to keep the Law.

Quote:3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

Amen, but so what? The same law that draws a line in the sand also provides the attonement offered by Christ.
(will explain in greater detail later.)

Quote:3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

that passage in context:16 We told you about the power of our Lord Jesus Christ. We told you about his coming. The things we told you were not just clever stories that people invented. No, we saw the greatness of Jesus with our own eyes. 17 Jesus heard the voice of the great and glorious God. That was when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him.” 18 And we heard that voice. It came from heaven while we were with Jesus on the holy mountain.[a]

19 This makes us more sure about what the prophets said. And it is good for you to follow closely what they said, which is like a light shining in a dark place. You have that light until the day begins and the morning star brings new light to your minds. 20 Most important of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in the Scriptures comes from the prophet’s own understanding. 21 No prophecy ever came from what some person wanted to say. But people were led by the Holy Spirit and spoke words from God.

Quote:4) Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

that passage in context:
5 The Pharisees and teachers of the law said to Jesus, “Your followers don’t follow the traditions we have from our great leaders who lived long ago. They eat their food with hands that are not clean. Why do they do this?”

6 Jesus answered, “You are all hypocrites. Isaiah was right when he wrote these words from God about you:


‘These people honor me with their words,
but I am not really important to them.
7 Their worship of me is worthless.
The things they teach are only human rules.’

8 You have stopped following God’s commands, preferring instead the man-made rules you got from others.”

9 Then he said, “You show great skill in avoiding the commands of God so that you can follow your own teachings! 10 Moses said, ‘You must respect your father and mother.’ He also said, ‘Whoever says anything bad to their father or mother must be killed.’[c] 11 But you teach that people can say to their father or mother, ‘I have something I could use to help you, but I will not use it for you. I will give it to God.’ 12 You are telling people that they do not have to do anything for their father or mother. 13 So you are teaching that it is not important to do what God said. You think it is more important to follow those traditions you have, which you pass on to others. And you do many things like that.”

there is a pattern, do you see it yet?

Quote:5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

that passage in context:
15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus. They came from Jerusalem and asked him, 2 “Why do your followers not obey the traditions we have from our great leaders who lived long ago? Your followers don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

3 Jesus answered, “And why do you refuse to obey God’s command so that you can follow those traditions you have? 4 God said, ‘You must respect your father and mother.’[a] And God also said, ‘Whoever says anything bad to their father or mother must be killed.’[b] 5 But you teach that a person can say to their father or mother, ‘I have something I could use to help you. But I will not use it for you. I will give it to God.’ 6 You are teaching them not to respect their father. So you are teaching that it is not important to do what God said. You think it is more important to follow those traditions you have. 7 You are hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he spoke for God about you:


8 ‘These people honor me with their words,
but I am not really important to them.
9 Their worship of me is worthless.
The things they teach are only human rules.’”

10 Jesus called the people to him. He said, “Listen and understand what I am saying. 11 It is not what people put in their mouth that makes them wrong.[c] It is what comes out of their mouth that makes them wrong.”

12 Then the followers came to Jesus and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees are upset about what you said?”

13 Jesus answered, “Every plant that my Father in heaven has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Stay away from the Pharisees. They lead the people, but they are like blind men leading other blind men. And if a blind man leads another blind man, both of them will fall into a ditch.”
(notice the pattern yet?)

Christ is establishing that there is a righteousness above and beyond following the 'traditions' of belief. Worshiping the method of worship.

Quote:6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

Again Christ makes it impossiable to follow the Law as a means to Righteousness/To be found 'moral' in the sight of God.

Quote:7) [b]Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

noope, look at the actual context:
18 Slaves, be willing to serve your masters. Do this with all respect. You should obey the masters who are good and kind, and you should obey the masters who are bad. 19 One of you might have to suffer even when you have done nothing wrong. If you think of God and bear the pain, this pleases God. 20 But if you are punished for doing wrong, there is no reason to praise you for bearing that punishment. But if you suffer for doing good and you are patient, this pleases God. 21 This is what you were chosen to do. Christ gave you an example to follow. He suffered for you. So you should do the same as he did:


22 “He never sinned,
and he never told a lie.”

23 People insulted him, but he did not insult them back. He suffered, but he did not threaten anyone. No, he let God take care of him. God is the one who judges rightly. 24 Christ carried our sins in his body on the cross. He did this so that we would stop living for sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you were healed. 25 You were like sheep that went the wrong way. But now you have come back to the Shepherd and Protector of your lives.

Quote:8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19)

that passage in context:
14 When the festival was about half finished, Jesus went to the Temple area and began to teach. 15 The Jewish leaders were amazed and said, “How did this man learn so much? He never had the kind of teaching we had!”

16 Jesus answered, “What I teach is not my own. My teaching comes from the one who sent me. 17 People who really want to do what God wants will know that my teaching comes from God. They will know that this teaching is not my own. 18 If I taught my own ideas, I would just be trying to get honor for myself. But if I am trying to bring honor to the one who sent me, I can be trusted. Anyone doing that is not going to lie. 19 Moses gave you the law, right? But you don’t obey that law. If you do, then why are you trying to kill me?”

20 The people answered, “A demon is making you crazy! We are not trying to kill you.”

21 Jesus said to them, “I did one miracle on a Sabbath day, and you were all surprised. 22 But you obey the law Moses gave you about circumcision—and sometimes you do it on a Sabbath day. (Really, Moses is not the one who gave you circumcision. It came from our ancestors who lived before Moses.) Yes, you often circumcise baby boys on a Sabbath day. 23 This shows that someone can be circumcised on a Sabbath day to obey the Law of Moses. So why are you angry with me for healing a person’s whole body on the Sabbath day? 24 Stop judging by the way things look. Be fair and judge by what is really right.”

This has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

Quote: and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

in context:16 Yes, the Word was full of grace and truth, and from him we all received one blessing after another.[d] 17 That is, the law was given to us through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Quote:9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Nothing is being broken 'missy.' For the Same 'law' that identifies sin also provides a caveat for atonement. In other words atonement is just as much apart of the law as the 'thou shalt nots.' The Thou shalt nots are only 1/2 of the law. to over look the atonement part is to be guilty of ignoring that part of scripture. and you have provided enough BCV to know one can not do that.

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(September 9, 2013 at 2:14 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

Same dick god, Drich.

who has provided a way to avoid said 'dickieness.' Meaning if you get dicked then it is your own fault.

(September 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: You do understand that the bible is a book that represents two separate religions correct?

You also understand that the passages you are looking at have nothing to do with Christianity correct?

And yet somehow....someway.....they made it into the christian bible put together by...christians.

You christian need a new version NIV redacted.......black out all the stuff you dont use anymore.

It will end up looking like a pile of declassifed NSA files......


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