(September 23, 2013 at 4:56 pm)John V Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 4:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Drippy doesn't know what he's trying to say. He is forever tripping over his own balls.

At least his are big enough to trip over.

Word on the street is that "grapenuts" isn't a reference to cereal in the Minnie household.

Too old to matter anymore, numbnuts. I've done my damage. Raised two fine little atheists!

(September 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm)John V Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Airyaman Wrote: Its god's will for all to be saved. I cannot be saved unless I first believe in god. I am afraid a book written about him is not enough, I am rather like Thomas, who Jesus deemed was worth showing up for.

Jesus also gave a blessing to those who didn't need to see.

Quote:Depends I suppose. Many Christians believe Jesus was/is god, and it seems many people saw him. You trying to tell me I can't see Jesus either?

And there were people who saw him - and crucified him.

Fact is that one can see and not believe, or not see and believe.

Um...the crucifixion thing, that was just part of your god's plan (Mark 8:31-38), so its not like the Romans had any say so and all. Well, not according to the story anyways.

Seems Jesus didn't leave a big impression for being the creator of the universe in the flesh. Only anonymous writers and some guy calling himself Paul bothered to write about him. I suppose you are saying that he would be just as insignificant now as then?

“The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive.”
― Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation

(September 23, 2013 at 6:01 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 10:42 am)Drich Wrote: Again a youtube trick would be a waist of time for anyone who does not already believe.

I said that you guys need to experience God for yourself, to witness it, and to question it and the circumstances. Which is provided/offered to you if you A/S/K

Drich Wrote:If you see God again, it will be too late for you to do anything about it.

That is why He uses messengers.

(September 23, 2013 at 10:44 am)John V Wrote: Personally I would rephrase their points as, Even if you did believe, you would still rebel, so god has no reason to do these things.

Yet god did it time and again in the old and new Testament. Jesus did miracles out the wazoo as did his apostles. Other lesser miracles were attributed to his later followers.
BUT NOW, god can't tip his hand because too many people might believe, or not believe as the theists here contend. Furthermore, if DRICH or JohnV, or Godschild really would drink a poison that I would bring to them, without ill affects, then I for one would drop to my knees and beg god for forgiveness of my ignorance. I would take time off from work and fly to whatever corner of the world they live in to watch them drink the corrosive liquid.

Guys, do I need to go to the lab and collect a mixture of horrible poisons? Shall we invite the others to come witness? {our atheist, human derived, subjective morals would look down on this act for hurting people too stupid to think for themselves, But there may be quite a few that would still be willing to watch.}

I can't speak for any one else but maybe I don't want to see you in heaven that badly. That said, I can speak for God in this one instance, in that He appearently does not want to see you in Heaven that badly either. Fore you like everyone else has been commanded to Humble yourself before Him, and then allow Him to lift you up. He will not humble Himself before you and perform parlor tricks to 'earn' your belief. I am quite sure He will see you to Hell before God Humbles Himself before you to provide you with anything that has not been mentioned already in scripture.

Not that God couldn't I just don't know of a situation like yours where God did what you are asking.

(September 23, 2013 at 9:27 pm)Drich Wrote: I can't speak for any one else but maybe I don't want to see you in heaven that badly. That said, I can speak for God in this one instance, in that He appearently does not want to see you in Heaven that badly either.

Seems humans speak for god in all instances, so what's one more voice?

Quote:Fore you like everyone else has been commanded to Humble yourself before Him, and then allow Him to lift you up. He will not humble Himself before you and perform parlor tricks to 'earn' your belief. I am quite sure He will see you to Hell before God Humbles Himself before you to provide you with anything that has not been mentioned already in scripture.

Not that God couldn't I just don't know of a situation like yours where God did what you are asking.

Obviously he felt bothered enough to show something according to the biblical writers, else we'd have empty pages. Shame he only bothered himself so many thousands of years ago. It does look like he he can't be bothered anymore though, perhaps he moved on to another more willing planet.

(September 23, 2013 at 9:41 pm)Airyaman Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 9:27 pm)Drich Wrote: I can't speak for any one else but maybe I don't want to see you in heaven that badly. That said, I can speak for God in this one instance, in that He appearently does not want to see you in Heaven that badly either.

Seems humans speak for god in all instances, so what's one more voice?

Quote:Fore you like everyone else has been commanded to Humble yourself before Him, and then allow Him to lift you up. He will not humble Himself before you and perform parlor tricks to 'earn' your belief. I am quite sure He will see you to Hell before God Humbles Himself before you to provide you with anything that has not been mentioned already in scripture.

Not that God couldn't I just don't know of a situation like yours where God did what you are asking.

Obviously he felt bothered enough to show something according to the biblical writers, else we'd have empty pages. Shame he only bothered himself so many thousands of years ago. It does look like he he can't be bothered anymore though, perhaps he moved on to another more willing planet.

Another brick wall....

What did the bible writers first do in order for God to work with them? Here is a hint: it is what I told brakeman he must first do before God would work with him.

Another hint: it is in the section of text you quoted that I wrote.

(September 23, 2013 at 9:27 pm)Drich Wrote: I can't speak for any one else but maybe I don't want to see you in heaven that badly. That said, I can speak for God in this one instance, in that He appearently does not want to see you in Heaven that badly either. Fore you like everyone else has been commanded to Humble yourself before Him, and then allow Him to lift you up. He will not humble Himself before you and perform parlor tricks to 'earn' your belief. I am quite sure He will see you to Hell before God Humbles Himself before you to provide you with anything that has not been mentioned already in scripture.

Not that God couldn't I just don't know of a situation like yours where God did what you are asking.

You know God? You can judge us in the name of the LORD? What if modern atheism is the new message that God is trying to spread across the world? Maybe it's not Francis bringing the change in the church but atheists?

I bet I could start a new cult with that idea. But I'd never poison them all in South America.

I don't believe in God, but I do know that guessing a God's game is impossible. Every possibility stands, no matter how ridiculous it may sound.

(September 23, 2013 at 9:58 pm)Drich Wrote: Another brick wall....

Or another person who doesn't like to dine on bullshit.

Quote:What did the bible writers first do in order for God to work with them? Here is a hint: it is what I told brakeman he must first do before God would work with him.

I have no idea what the bible writers were about, I was not there when they wrote the originals. You?

Quote:Another hint: it is in the section of text you quoted that I wrote.

Your hints are useless because I do not think as you do.

Quote:Seems humans speak for god in all instances, so what's one more voice?

One wonders why a "god" would continually pick the dickheads to do his talking for him?

More evidence that there is no god, I guess.

(September 23, 2013 at 9:38 am)Airyaman Wrote: If they talk to their god, could they ask him/her/them to make a live appearance? Yeah, we don't seem to see them like they used to. Not even a burning bush or a talking animal.

Nice tomato!