Once again, I do not have a disbelief. I also do not have an urge to stick my dick in a light socket; I don't have to constantly prevent myself from doing it.

(September 23, 2013 at 11:28 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Double-edged sword my friend: these demons are proof that knowledge of God doesn't take away free will.

And how is that a double-edged sword for me? Or are you arguing against a stereotype?

Quote:On that note, shame that God won't go beyond just authoring a less-than-perfect book in order to establish his existence. It's as if he doesn't exist, or doesn't care enough to show himself beyond doubt such that the question now becomes "to follow Jesus or not" instead of "to follow Jesus or not... or Buddha, or Confucius, or Mohammed etc".

Point is that, either way, you've already answered that question - "not" - despite the amount of evidence.

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(September 23, 2013 at 11:39 am)Stimbo Wrote: You'd have to get past that huge 'if' first, before we could even talk about whether any gods are worthy of worship.

Oh please, there's always threads here talking about whether god is worthy of worship.

(September 23, 2013 at 12:22 pm)John V Wrote: Oh please, there's always threads here talking about whether god is worthy of worship.

I agree, but that's not what I said.

Quote:Don't get me wrong I will ask for stuff, but for the most part I seek direction and answers.

If "god" should happen to mention pulling your head out of your ass, Drippy, pay attention to that one.

(September 23, 2013 at 7:08 am)Brakeman Wrote: If these resident theists really talk to god, what in the hell do they talk about after they've read off their christmas list and begged to be ever so much more holy? Why can't god "tell" them anything new and useful to "WOW" us here at AF? Why do they always forget to ask god to explain some of the old mysteries or give us a convincing prophesy. Why can't they ask to get permission to show us a You-Tube video of them drinking Clorox and Draino to show us their true christian faith?

What other questions can you come up with that they could ask god during their daily conversations?

Exactly what is it that makes you think we are not praying for you?

GC

(September 23, 2013 at 10:19 am)Tonus Wrote: I think most Christians would see that as asking god to perform a parlor trick. I always understood the idea of prayer to be to keep god's will and purposes in mind when asking for anything, and understanding that if you did not get it or got something different, then your prayer was answered. Even if it was in an unexpected manner.

Its god's will for all to be saved. I cannot be saved unless I first believe in god. I am afraid a book written about him is not enough, I am rather like Thomas, who Jesus deemed was worth showing up for.

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(September 23, 2013 at 10:42 am)Drich Wrote: If you see God again, it will be too late for you to do anything about it.
That is why He uses messengers.

Depends I suppose. Many Christians believe Jesus was/is god, and it seems many people saw him. You trying to tell me I can't see Jesus either?

(September 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Airyaman Wrote: Its god's will for all to be saved. I cannot be saved unless I first believe in god. I am afraid a book written about him is not enough, I am rather like Thomas, who Jesus deemed was worth showing up for.

Jesus also gave a blessing to those who didn't need to see.

Quote:Depends I suppose. Many Christians believe Jesus was/is god, and it seems many people saw him. You trying to tell me I can't see Jesus either?

And there were people who saw him - and crucified him.

Fact is that one can see and not believe, or not see and believe.

Drippy doesn't know what he's trying to say. He is forever tripping over his own balls.

(September 23, 2013 at 4:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Drippy doesn't know what he's trying to say. He is forever tripping over his own balls.

At least his are big enough to trip over.

Word on the street is that "grapenuts" isn't a reference to cereal in the Minnie household.

(September 23, 2013 at 10:42 am)Drich Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 9:34 am)Stimbo Wrote: Yet again, that is not your call to make. Why are you so quick to assume how we would think?

As a quick perusal of the threads show, posting biblespam to prove the bible says something about what the bible says is a "waist" of time, as does telling us there's evidence out there but never actually showing it, but most of you do it anyway.

Again a youtube trick would be a waist of time for anyone who does not already believe.

I said that you guys need to experience God for yourself, to witness it, and to question it and the circumstances. Which is provided/offered to you if you A/S/K

Drich Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 9:38 am)Airyaman Wrote: If they talk to their god, could they ask him/her/them to make a live appearance? Yeah, we don't seem to see them like they used to. Not even a burning bush or a talking animal.

If you see God again, it will be too late for you to do anything about it.

That is why He uses messengers.

(September 23, 2013 at 10:44 am)John V Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 9:34 am)Stimbo Wrote: Yet again, that is not your call to make. Why are you so quick to assume how we would think?

Personally I would rephrase their points as, Even if you did believe, you would still rebel, so god has no reason to do these things.

Yet god did it time and again in the old and new Testament. Jesus did miracles out the wazoo as did his apostles. Other lesser miracles were attributed to his later followers.
BUT NOW, god can't tip his hand because too many people might believe, or not believe as the theists here contend. Furthermore, if DRICH or JohnV, or Godschild really would drink a poison that I would bring to them, without ill affects, then I for one would drop to my knees and beg god for forgiveness of my ignorance. I would take time off from work and fly to whatever corner of the world they live in to watch them drink the corrosive liquid.

Guys, do I need to go to the lab and collect a mixture of horrible poisons? Shall we invite the others to come witness? {our atheist, human derived, subjective morals would look down on this act for hurting people too stupid to think for themselves, But there may be quite a few that would still be willing to watch.}