(October 2, 2013 at 3:01 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: How did the universe come into being?

How did life start?

Just 2 simple questions.

Tide comes in, tide goes out. You can't explain it.

Who let Bill in here? Mods please, a little help.

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(October 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: How did the universe come into being?

How did life start?

Just 2 simple questions.

We have theories. You have an invisible sky daddy. Spit in one hand and see which fills up faster.

I would have used the word "shit" but, meh, same result would happen. I wouldn't advise them to wait for the "sky daddy" hand to fill up.

(October 2, 2013 at 10:43 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 10:42 am)xpastor Wrote: In response to my comments on design flaws in living organisms
Gimme a break. You propose as a magical explanation for the wonky path of the recurrent laryngeal nerve a process for which there is absolutely no evidence: the sin of Adam and Eve messing up all the rest of the world. There isn't even a statement of this in the Bible itself, just one vague sentence in Romans 8:22 (the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together) which various theologians have riffed on. So what did the pre-Fall giraffe look like? How long was its neck?

As for DNA, if it's such great evidence for creationism, why are the vast majority of genetic scientists evolutionists? Why do they confidently use DNA to measure the degree of relationship between widely disparate species and to estimate the millions of years between various evolutionary stages?

The vast majority are deceived.

And yet you only deceive yourself.

After reading all these 11 pages... I have nothing to add.

At first, I saw another remix of the cosmological argument... and then... Just wow!

"god exists", just like that?.. wow!
"I know god exists"... awesome word play!

I'm speechless... I just wanted to put this thread on my list...

(October 2, 2013 at 9:58 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It does present a problem for atheistic origin science.

(October 2, 2013 at 7:17 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The next topic is to evaluate what is the explanation given by atheistic origin science and can it stand up.

(October 2, 2013 at 7:17 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: BTW, since the 18th century, the case against atheistic origin science is now even greater because of the discoveries in DNA, RNA, and the workings of the cell.

(October 2, 2013 at 7:17 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Atheistic origin science has completely failed to explain the universe and life.

I see you have your own term to describe science when it doesn't support your interpretation of the Christian Bible.

(October 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: How did the universe come into being?

How did life start?

Just 2 simple questions.

Okay then, genius: you tell us.

But you actually have to answer the questions you asked, not the questions you want to answer: How did these things happen? Don't answer "god created everything" because that's what happened, and you asked how.

So since you're so undeceived and bathed in the glory of your sky daddy, tell us: how did god create the universe, and life? What processes did he use to do so? What was his reasoning?

That's how science works, fundy. Science wants to know how, when you're satisfied with the simplest of whats.

Oh, and in keeping with your logic, if you can't tell us how god did these things, then obviously he didn't do anything, didn't exist, and atheism is correct. It's the only other answer!

(October 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 2:58 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: Prove it. No faith, no Bible. Give evidence, tangible evidence.

How did the universe come into being?

How did life start?

Just 2 simple questions.

We don't know. No one does, including you. By making this about what we don't know that you supposedly do, you are employing an argument from ignorance, that is, that if we don't know the answer, your answer must be true by default. However, us not knowing the answer, or even being entirely wrong about the answer, doesn't increase the probability that your answer is the correct one by the slightest smidge.

It would improve your persuasiveness to spare a little time to read up on logical fallacies. If you can make an argument without resorting to one, you'll be in a much stronger position.

(October 2, 2013 at 1:09 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Tonus Wrote: That did not address the question. You claimed that god is justified in punishing everyone for the original sin because if any other person had been there, he would have sinned as well. This points to more than just an issue of free will or bad decision-making. If any human put in that position was guaranteed to fail... per your claim... then they were either designed to fail, or they were presented with a scenario that god knew they could not resist. So... is he a bumbler, or a malicious bastard?

God created free will beings.

The fall of man is the consequence of free will.

But remember God triumphs over all that.

Still did not address the question. You can post a massive wall of text because "omg the stars are so pretty" requires several thousand words to elaborate properly. But you aren't even pretending to try to address the question I asked. I think I know the answer you want to give, and will probably have to be content with that.

(October 2, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 1:09 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: God created free will beings.

The fall of man is the consequence of free will.

But remember God triumphs over all that.

Still did not address the question. You can post a massive wall of text because "omg the stars are so pretty" requires several thousand words to elaborate properly. But you aren't even pretending to try to address the question I asked. I think I know the answer you want to give, and will probably have to be content with that.

"Oh my god the stars are pretty", yet these same people who use this as evidence for a imaginary sky daddy would not go up in orbit, take a space walk and take their helmet off.

(October 2, 2013 at 4:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Tonus Wrote: Still did not address the question. You can post a massive wall of text because "omg the stars are so pretty" requires several thousand words to elaborate properly. But you aren't even pretending to try to address the question I asked. I think I know the answer you want to give, and will probably have to be content with that.

"Oh my god the stars are pretty", yet these same people who use this as evidence for a imaginary sky daddy would not go up in orbit, take a space walk and take their helmet off.

But we can hope.

To the OP.

Your entire OP is nothing more than a giant argument from ignorance.

"Well, I can't imagine how it could have arisen naturally, so must have been god".

That thinking has never once worked to explain the universe in the past (disease, storms, earthquakes, famine, etc all attributed to a god in the past, now have natural explanations), chances are very slim that it is the answer now.

Complexity is not evidence of design. We recognize design by comparing it to things that occur naturally.

DNA is NOT a code or a language. It is chemistry.