(October 9, 2013 at 9:31 am)Rationalman Wrote: Its almost as if he's intentionally missing the point hmmmm......

...or fucking stupid.

(October 9, 2013 at 10:49 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: I'm subjecting my faith to some stone cold atheism to see if it withstands the onslaught of reason. It seems to thrive better on here than it would on a Christian forum.

Of course it thrives when you fail to even grasp the atheist position. It's like we're playing a baseball game and you show up to the wrong field and think you've won because the other team isn't there.

(October 10, 2013 at 10:08 am)Faith No More Wrote: Of course it thrives when you fail to even grasp the atheist position. It's like were playing a baseball game and you show up to the wrong field and think you've won because the other team isn't there.

Taking the christian fondness of circular reasoning and the pigeon strutting on the chess board.. Well, this is what it looks like:

(October 9, 2013 at 10:49 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: I'm subjecting my faith to some stone cold atheism to see if it withstands the onslaught of reason. It seems to thrive better on here than it would on a Christian forum.

I would be inclined to agree that one way to weaken the faith of a Christian is to have him listen to other Christians for a while.

(October 8, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Kemotx Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Rationalman Wrote: No, can you please grow the fuck up?

If growing up means beicoming rude like you, no. I want to be kind, loving person which is a dying breed this times.

You say you're not here to brag about how kind you are. One good way to show that is to not brag about how kind you are. Especially given how unkind you're being to Rationalman who genuinely holds the belief that trying to control how people express themselves is much ruder than using words some people consider 'bad'.

Getting hung up on the words people use to express themselves prevents you from listening to what they're really saying. That's on you, not them.

(October 10, 2013 at 12:36 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Kemotx Wrote: If growing up means beicoming rude like you, no. I want to be kind, loving person which is a dying breed this times.

You say you're not here to brag about how kind you are. One good way to show that is to not brag about how kind you are. Especially given how unkind you're being to Rationalman who genuinely holds the belief that trying to control how people express themselves is much ruder than using words some people consider 'bad'.

Getting hung up on the words people use to express themselves prevents you from listening to what they're really saying. That's on you, not them.

MM

(October 10, 2013 at 11:31 am)Tonus Wrote: I would be inclined to agree that one way to weaken the faith of a Christian is to have him listen to other Christians for a while.

While it grates when they go on about how they were cured of their homosexuality or something like that it still doesn't grate quite as much as reading one of those New Atheist books.

(October 11, 2013 at 3:29 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: While it grates when they go on about how they were cured of their homosexuality or something like that it still doesn't grate quite as much as reading one of those New Atheist books.

Upsetting your apple cart would be quite grating, you're right.

Sword of Christ Wrote:Logic, reason, history, personal experience, evidence and a little bit of faith thrown in to hold it together. You do need a little of that but not too much as the existence of God ought to be reasonably self evident

God is not self-evident. Things that are self-evident are not things which inspire debate. Gravity is self-evident. Nobody disputes the existence of gravity. The overwhelming majority of people in the world don't believe in your god. Maybe they believe in some other god or in a nature spirit or maybe nothing. Maybe they believe in a god with the same origins but has characteristics so divergent that it may as well be a different god altogether. Your own god is your personal invention.

You also seem to confuse rationalization and confirmation bias with logic and reason.

Something that is self-evident doesn't need evidence, faith, or argument to establish its truth. That's what self-evident means. Your suggesting that we need either faith or evidence is tacit admission that it is not self-evident. Moreover, whenever somebody has to point out that something is self-evident, it's usually because it isn't, and they want to undermine the credibility of my skeptical complaints sans providing any actual argument. It's a subtle form of poisoning the well, and is the rhetorical equivalent of your parents saying, "Because I said so."