Hell is a separation from God these days not the medieval literal fire and brimstone torture chamber. I say these days but it's an interpretation that has threads going right the way back so it's not something particularly new.

The creation for the most part is good, though it is often very harsh and human nature is essentially good as we're made in the image of God though we're greatly flawed due to the corruption of human sin. If you want to ask why the situation is the way it is then what you have there is the classic problem of evil, but there is a response to it.

If god existed like forever why did it make the universe now...what was with the rest of infinity that it ignored?
While were querying the mindset of fictional beings.
And why did Darth Vader have such a change of heart in the third or is it Sixth film when he was so invested in the evil?

(October 16, 2013 at 6:03 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: And why did Darth Vader have such a change of heart in the third or is it Sixth film when he was so invested in the evil?

Down deep, he was anakin... and he sort of liked Natalie Portman, being cute and having a Harvard degree in Psychology or whatnot...
Then this brave kid shows up, he knows the kid is his son... the only bit of his only love in life...
Not to mention that Luke did "feel" some good in Darth. So it wasn't that far deep... I wonder why Palpatine failed to see it...

(October 16, 2013 at 6:03 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Hell is a separation from God

(October 16, 2013 at 6:03 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Hell is a separation from God these days

So... no different for me than now. OK.

(October 16, 2013 at 4:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 16, 2013 at 3:43 pm)snowtracks Wrote: if God, wouldn't it be reasonable that He would operate in a time dim or equivalent that's independent of the cosmic timeline? we do know that 3 spatial dim exist and another 6 or so probably do, so not unrealistic from just that information that another time dim exist or even necessary.

It's weird that I keep having to tell you this, but handwaving generalities about weird cosmology stuff does not evidence make. You're just fantasizing.

this one keeps asking me about proof of God: over that last 10 milleniums, beaucoup philosophers and other Intelligentsia have offer explanations, opinions, etc; and he wants me to provide the evidence.

It should be easy to point to, then, right?

(October 16, 2013 at 7:09 pm)snowtracks Wrote: this one keeps asking me about proof of God: over that last 10 milleniums, beaucoup philosophers and other Intelligentsia have offer explanations, opinions, etc; and he wants me to provide the evidence.

Good point. They never managed it, why should he expect any better from you?

(October 16, 2013 at 7:09 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(October 16, 2013 at 4:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote: It's weird that I keep having to tell you this, but handwaving generalities about weird cosmology stuff does not evidence make. You're just fantasizing.

this one keeps asking me about proof of God: over that last 10 milleniums, beaucoup philosophers and other Intelligentsia have offer explanations, opinions, etc; and he wants me to provide the evidence.

Yes, we do.

Quoting a book to prove a book is what they all do, you do, all religions do.

Now if you are not going to accept the self serving circular reasoning of other people quoting their books, don't expect us to do that for you either.

Funny how science doesn't have that problem. It is why doctors exist worldwide, cell phones exist worldwide, cars, computers. And none of that technology is ever pulled out of any book of myth. Because holy books are merely cultural reflections of human wishes. They never have been, or ever will be science.

(October 16, 2013 at 8:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 16, 2013 at 7:09 pm)snowtracks Wrote: this one keeps asking me about proof of God: over that last 10 milleniums, beaucoup philosophers and other Intelligentsia have offer explanations, opinions, etc; and he wants me to provide the evidence.

Yes, we do.

Quoting a book to prove a book is what they all do, you do, all religions do.

Now if you are not going to accept the self serving circular reasoning of other people quoting their books, don't expect us to do that for you either.

not trying to convince anyone, and didn't quote a book. but did ask this hypertheorical questions that no one answered or did they and i missed it? God, wouldn't it be reasonable that He would operate in a time dim or equivalent that's independent of the cosmic timeline? we do know that 3 spatial dim exist and another 6 or so probably do, so not unrealistic from just that information that another time dim exist or even necessary.

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(October 16, 2013 at 8:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(October 16, 2013 at 8:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes, we do.

Quoting a book to prove a book is what they all do, you do, all religions do.

Now if you are not going to accept the self serving circular reasoning of other people quoting their books, don't expect us to do that for you either.

not trying to convince anyone, and didn't quote a book. but did ask this hypertheorical questions that no one answered or did they and i missed it? God, wouldn't it be reasonable that He would operate in a time dim or equivalent that's independent of the cosmic timeline? we do know that 3 spatial dim exist and another 6 or so probably do, so not unrealistic from just that information that another time dim exist or even necessary.

okay the beaded dude did, was overlooked. and he did well.