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Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
October 31, 2013 at 8:34 pm
(October 31, 2013 at 8:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: To all those who waste their time about whether God exists or not, grab a beer and shut the fuck up.

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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
October 31, 2013 at 8:51 pm
(October 31, 2013 at 8:34 pm)Walking Void Wrote:
(October 31, 2013 at 8:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: To all those who waste their time about whether God exists or not, grab a beer and shut the fuck up.

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If you count that as someone being a "badass," you seriously need to get out more.
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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
October 31, 2013 at 8:53 pm
(October 31, 2013 at 11:08 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Gods, by their very nature, are not particularly subject to proof or disproof in any meaningful sense. A sufficiently subtle deity isn't going to provide direct evidence of its existence. Logical constructs (for and against) seem to always start with or to contain premises which are arguable enough to render the entire construct suspect, if not invalid.

What about when you have a deity which is absolutely not subtle at all in any of its official depictions, like God in the Bible?
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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
October 31, 2013 at 9:37 pm
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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
November 1, 2013 at 6:34 am (This post was last modified: November 1, 2013 at 6:34 am by Brakeman.)
(October 31, 2013 at 8:51 pm)Polaris Wrote:
(October 31, 2013 at 8:34 pm)Walking Void Wrote: img

If you count that as someone being a "badass," you seriously need to get out more.

Walking Void doesn't think you're a "badass", he's mocking you.


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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
November 1, 2013 at 6:43 am
(October 31, 2013 at 8:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: To all those who waste their time about whether God exists or not, grab a beer and shut the fuck up.

You say this on an Atheist forum...
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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
November 1, 2013 at 9:12 am
(October 31, 2013 at 8:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: To all those who waste their time about whether God exists or not, grab a beer and shut the fuck up.

It is a waste of time because we all know that God doesn't exist.
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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
November 1, 2013 at 1:32 pm
(October 31, 2013 at 8:51 pm)Polaris Wrote:
(October 31, 2013 at 8:34 pm)Walking Void Wrote: [Image: watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png]

If you count that as someone being a "badass," you seriously need to get out more.

I am shocked.

Shocked that the first thing You go for in terms of a drink is beer and not a bottle of rum. That was a soft request.

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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
November 1, 2013 at 4:39 pm (This post was last modified: November 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm by downbeatplumb.)
(October 31, 2013 at 8:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: To all those who waste their time about whether God exists or not, grab a beer and shut the fuck up.

No.......its a wine night....got a lovely bottle of white chilling.
(November 1, 2013 at 1:32 pm)Walking Void Wrote: [Image: Captain_Morgan_100_Proof_Spiced_Rum_1_296039.jpg]

Is your Captains Morgans Spiced rum different? Pretty sure the stuff over here isn't 100 proof.



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RE: Why Religious Proof Or Disproof Is Unimportant
November 1, 2013 at 6:33 pm
(October 31, 2013 at 11:08 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Theists (all franchises) are often asked to prove that their god(s) exist. Non-theists (all franchises) are often asked to disprove the existence of god(s). Proofs of this sort seem to fall into two broad categories - evidentiary and logical. My contention is that exercises of this kind are about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit.

Gods, by their very nature, are not particularly subject to proof or disproof in any meaningful sense. A sufficiently subtle deity isn't going to provide direct evidence of its existence. Logical constructs (for and against) seem to always start with or to contain premises which are arguable enough to render the entire construct suspect, if not invalid.

A much handier way to evaluate whether gods exist has sometimes been called 'The Reasonableness of Belief'. Hume's argument regarding miracles (which I won't repeat here) is a good example of this sort of evaluation, as is the faeries-at-the-bottom-of-my-garden problem: It may indeed be the case that there are invisible, undetectable faeries living in my garden, but in the absence of evidence for them, it isn't reasonable to believe that there are.

As long as we can propose naturalistic, mundane explanations for mysterious phenomena, it simply isn't reasonable to propose others. And, given the track record or naturalism as an explicatory mechanism, it isn't reasonable to propose non-naturalistic explanations for things which we do not, as yet, understand.

This strikes me as the strongest support imaginable for non-theism. Until and unless theism can point to a phenomenon or group of phenomena for which no naturalistic explanation is possible, it leaves theism as an unreasonable belief.

I'd write more on this, but my painkillers are kicking in.

Boru

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