(November 6, 2013 at 1:30 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Enrico, I'd invite you to show us even one university that offers a degree in "intuitional science." Or just one lab or scientific organization that would accept you if you claim to be an expert in intuitional science. Or just one person, anywhere in the world, who has contributed a single thing of note to mainstream, peer reviewed science, who calls themselves an intuitional scientist. Or one scientific prize or accolade that is awarded for intuitional science. Or one single scientific advancement developed through intuitional science.

Just one.

Only you can't do that, can you? Because the actual definition of intuitional science, if you were ever to be honest, is that it's the feelings of an uneducated, unqualified, untrustworthy, unrepresented and entirely illogical person, who wants all the credibility of a scientist, without having to do an iota of the work.

Lord Shiva was the first to introduce intuitional science.
Beside this what did he do?
He gave the Ayurvedic medicine.
He gave the 7 notes so the people could create music that help in their spiritual search.
He introduce the marriage system in a society in which women were used as objects.
He gave the asanas posture (yoga exercises).
He gave a system of moral conduct in a society in which the stronger abuse the weak and a lot more you could learn at the uni.

Thanks for your inquire anyway and sorry if i disappoint you.

Prove it

(November 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Prove it

Benares also known as Varanasi it is said to be the oldest city in the world (planet earth).
I have been there.
What a place!
There are hundreds of temples, most of them dedicated to Lord Shiva.
Scholars that studied both the materials and the historical origin of this culture say that it goes back many thousand of years.
I personally did not studies these origin but i do believe these scholars.
You are free not to believe, that is your problem.

You have yet to provide any evidence for the existence of lord shiva. Not really surprising to be honest.

(November 9, 2013 at 10:44 am)enrico Wrote: Lord Shiva was the first to introduce intuitional science.
Beside this what did he do?
He gave the Ayurvedic medicine.
He gave the 7 notes so the people could create music that help in their spiritual search.
He introduce the marriage system in a society in which women were used as objects.
He gave the asanas posture (yoga exercises).
He gave a system of moral conduct in a society in which the stronger abuse the weak and a lot more you could learn at the uni.

Thanks for your inquire anyway and sorry if i disappoint you.

So, remember when I asked for mainstream scientific sources, achievements, people and processes?

Why did you instead decide to give me a big heaping helping of unverified bullshit?

(November 9, 2013 at 9:55 am)enrico Wrote:

(November 6, 2013 at 10:49 am)whateverist Wrote: And here is the other use of "science", still in use, which you have been claiming. Looks like I have been mistaken to insist on the other usage exclusively.


So if you don't mind placing your Intuition Science on the shelf beside Library Science, Computer Science and Political Science .. rather than on the shelf reserved for the natural sciences whose study employs the scientific method .. I think I can stop calling Intutional Science oxymoronic. Deal?

No deal mate.
Real science is a lot older then modern science.
In fact the first science goes back 7000 years ago when Lord Shiva gave INTUITIONAL SCIENCE.
Your link say that science is related mainly to this physical universe.
What a crap!!!
This physical universe is external to us therefore is not as important as the science that study what is within.
The old saying.............IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ALL YOU WILL HAVE TO KNOW YOURSELF.........and this require to extract the knowledge from within rather then from the external arena.

Have it your way. Of course older is better, right? So rubbing sticks together is way ahead of using a matchstick or a lighter.

You may have your antiquated usage of science, but don't think you get any of the cache the word has gained once it was associated with the scientific method. No, your science is the science of clay tablets and chanting and rituals and traditions. Perhaps someone did sit down and figure something out back in the day (though more probably they just made shit up) but the rest of you slacker students have just been memorizing it wholesale ever since.

In relation to the Science which has done so much to improve our quality of life and to add so much to our understanding of the way the world works, your science bears no resemblance. In relation to the good stuff, your science is still but a thin, oxymoronic shadow.

By the way there is an interesting story about Varanasi in India.
Many Hindu when they feel that they are going to die they try to go to Varanasi.
Why Varanasi?
One Hindu dogma (false truth) is that by dying there you don't have to be reincarnated and therefore you end your continuous cycle of birth and dying giving the way to nirvana (Hindu paradise).
Unfortunately for them the system does not work like this
Once again the original truth gave way to false truth and a new dogma was created.
The word Varanasi is an old word coming probably from the Sanskrit and it is divided into two words.
Vara and nasi which means between the two highest cakras which in english are known as the pituary and the pineal gland.
So when someone is able to bring the consciousness in between these two cakras then the reactions that bring you back to physical life are not affecting you anymore so you merge with the cosmic consciousness and you end your journey from small to big.
This spiritual truth has been lost so these people wrongly think that just by going to Varanasi to die will end up the cycle of rebirth.

Again, when someone try to give new meaning to words and then they got the audacity to say that it is truth then i feel really sick in my guts.

Evidence? None.... again. Why am I not surprised?

(November 9, 2013 at 11:26 pm)whateverist Wrote: Have it your way. Of course older is better, right? So rubbing sticks together is way ahead of using a matchstick or a lighter.
You may have your antiquated usage of science, but don't think you get any of the cache the word has gained once it was associated with the scientific method. No, your science is the science of clay tablets and chanting and rituals and traditions. Perhaps someone did sit down and figure something out back in the day (though more probably they just made shit up) but the rest of you slacker students have just been memorizing it wholesale ever since. In relation to the Science which has done so much to improve our quality of life and to add so much to our understanding of the way the world works, your science bears no resemblance. In relation to the good stuff, your [/size]science is still but a thin, oxymoronic shadow.

You strike one more dogma (false truth).
Physical science has done a lot.
A lot to keep the humanity afloat not to create progress.
You show me a single thing that create progress and i will cover you with 24 carat gold.
I already discuss this in previous posts and none could bring forward a single achievement.
The law of physical nature is such that the positive and negative at the end will ALWAYS balance each other.
The only real progress come spiritually where the negative does not exist but this is something that you are not yet prepared to understand.

(November 9, 2013 at 11:42 pm)enrico Wrote: You show me a single thing that create progress and i will cover you with 24 carat gold.

Anal lubricant. A major step forward in human progress.

And no negatives.