(November 12, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Atheists forming dedicated groups to do charity works in partnership with other religious charities is great start. We look forward to atheists spending even more time around Christians.

It'd be much easier if your guys would stop discriminating. Just saying.

(November 12, 2013 at 7:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 12, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Atheists forming dedicated groups to do charity works in partnership with other religious charities is great start. We look forward to atheists spending even more time around Christians.

It'd be much easier if your guys would stop discriminating. Just saying.

Yes because atheists in America have never been exposed to Christianity.

(November 12, 2013 at 10:34 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Yes because atheists in America have never been exposed to Christianity.

When someone asks me if I've ever read the bible, my answer is always "no, what's a bible?" They always seem surprised, which begs the question: what answer were they expecting?

(November 12, 2013 at 10:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 12, 2013 at 10:34 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Yes because atheists in America have never been exposed to Christianity.

When someone asks me if I've ever read the bible, my answer is always "no, what's a bible?" They always seem surprised, which begs the question: what answer were they expecting?

Don't laugh, most Christians haven't.

I agree with Lion, we should all have the same goal and work together towards it. If an atheist will endure proselytized charity then I'd think that's a bigger sacrifice for them than a Christian who volunteers for a non denominational charity. At the end of the day though, stomachs will be fed. If Christians want to apply a stipulation for receiving their charities, they have that right. Beggers can't be choosers.
On the other hand a charity has a duty to accept all forms of help because its not their right to turn down help meant for others, in my opinion.

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Um, Ryan? lol honey what reason would you do that (considering you know more about the Bible than most) for any reason other than to be feisty?

I can well understand one organization saying to another - hey, you are either an official member of this church, this Salvation Army, this St Vincent de Paul, this Red Cross, this World Vision, this Lions Club
OR... you need to go and start your own soup kitchen.

I cant just walk up to any charity organization I want, whenever I feel like it, and automatically expect to be allowed to volunteer on my own Ad Lib terms, wearing my "I hate God" T-shirt.

Why DONT those atheists start their own soup kitchen I wonder?
There's no shortage of hungry folk is there?

(November 13, 2013 at 2:10 am)Lion IRC Wrote: I can well understand one organization saying to another - hey, you are either an official member of this church, this Salvation Army, this St Vincent de Paul, this Red Cross, this World Vision, this Lions Club
OR... you need to go and start your own soup kitchen.

Yes lets encourage sectarianism, thats the way to go.

Seriously what you said is stupid, on so many levels.

Quote:I cant just walk up to any charity organization I want, whenever I feel like it, and automatically expect to be allowed to volunteer on my own Ad Lib terms, wearing my "I hate God" T-shirt.

These are their shirts

Yeap that says I hate god.
When we will you learn atheists don't hate god as we don't think he is real. I hate him in the way I hate voldemort.

Quote:Why DONT those atheists start their own soup kitchen I wonder?
There's no shortage of hungry folk is there?

Why should the Christians be turning down needed help? After all the goal is to feed people regardless of beliefs right?

It's not the beliefs of the hungry which are at issue.

There's something to be said for organized religion. It's ability to harness its membership for volunteer work and free labor is unmatched, most likely because you guys meet in groups regularly. There are atheist soup kitchens. They're just called soup kitchens though. Churches are very good at networking in the community because they've been around since before this country was founded, and if you think about it hell seems to be a good incentive for attendance and tithes. Its smarter to use the system already established, if you're looking to do the most good. Which is why churches are a go to place for those who wish to connect with others in their community.

No, I don't care what nonprofit organization you're running. If you deny your recipients benefits for any reason: you're doing it for fully selfish reasons. Even if a Nazi group wanted to give my org money I'd take it and shut my mouth. No, they wouldnt be allowed to show symbols of their beliefs of any form when volunteering, but you brought that issue ip not me. Im pretty sure the article didnt say 'atheists who want to wear I hate god tshirts are banned from christian soup kitchen.'No one has a patent on charity. For that matter, why are there homeless people sleeping on the streets at night when there are perfectly warm comfy <empty> church buildings all over?
Asking why atheists wont gather together to form their own charity, based on nonbelief in a deity, is ridiculous, really it is. Far more important things to do than waste money on a sparkly white buildings meant specifically for people to worship an invisible force. There's other communal meetings to take part in. However since you all seem to have rent on buildings paid, and make enough money to do that and do community outreach: why not utilize your already established network? I see the need: then try to help it, through any means possible. As a matter of fact every charity I've been involved with excluding a memorial charity this year, has been enacted through a church. Some of the Christians I work with know I'm an atheist (because we're family friends) and they don't give a flying anything what i believe, like you do. Why do you care what someone's religious beliefs are if all they want to do is help, Lion?.
I for one respect the organizations I am volunteering or giving through. That's what real charity is. Putting aside your judgemental nature and just: helping
. Working together is also just something adults are able to do. Seems pretty childish to me, your entire post. I certainly don't wear "I hate god" shirts and try to proselytize to those I'm there to help.

I for one was serious about working together.
Thanks for demonstrating the root cause of this thread.

(November 13, 2013 at 1:25 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Um, Ryan? lol honey what reason would you do that (considering you know more about the Bible than most) for any reason other than to be feisty?

The reason is mostly to be feisty.

Lion Wrote:There's no shortage of hungry folk is there?

What I find most interesting about this discussion, and the one before it, is the way you christians flip, without seeming to notice, between caring about the poor, and endorsing an action that only has the consequence of ensuring that less hungry people get fed. Because the fact is, the christian organization has an established system, reputation and means to accomplish this charitable work.

Why is it more important to you that these christians retain a stranglehold on the beliefs represented in their charity, to the point that even a shirt with a red A on it is too much? What do you actually gain from discriminating like this, and more importantly, how on earth does it outweigh the good work that has been lost in the process?