(November 14, 2013 at 2:44 pm)Drich Wrote: If everyone has a bible, then it is quite easy to see any mandate given by mr.kim to be evidence that he is a false 'god.'

You're assuming that any North Korean who picks up a bible is going to instantly believe what's written in it.

(November 14, 2013 at 2:57 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: That is simply not true. if it was, there would be no pope.

This is absolutly true for the Majority of Christianity. Just like I believe it would also be true for the Majority of North Koreans. Not everyone will abandon tradition, only those looking to serve God.

Quote:As well forgive me for my late alliteration, but kim sung un doesn't to say he is god but only say that his rule is of divine mandate.

Kim Sung Un may not, but Kim Jong UN the leader of South Korea does. Do a google search every one who has ever been in contact with him from dignitaries, ambasitors, reporters to denis rodman says they worship this guy like he were God.

Quote:As it is for biblical clarity, even the few of you theists that regularly grace this site can't even agree on important details, such as the nature of hell (I already know your stance drippy)

The primary essence of Hell no Christian will disagree on is the eternal seperation of a person from God, and that there is 'weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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(November 14, 2013 at 5:07 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(November 14, 2013 at 2:44 pm)Drich Wrote: If everyone has a bible, then it is quite easy to see any mandate given by mr.kim to be evidence that he is a false 'god.'

You're assuming that any North Korean who picks up a bible is going to instantly believe what's written in it.

Any N/K looking to worship God will at least read it, and at that point will have to either reconsile the difference between what they have been taught to be God and what the bible says is God.

(November 14, 2013 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 14, 2013 at 5:07 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: You're assuming that any North Korean who picks up a bible is going to instantly believe what's written in it.

Any N/K looking to worship God will at least read it, and at that point will have to either reconsile the difference between what they have been taught to be God and what the bible says is God.

And again, you're assuming that many North Koreans will even be looking to worship God. I think you must be under the misunderstanding that NK is just like the United States, where people are often shopping for a Christian church to go to. North Koreans have been subjected to brainwashing for 60 years, so the idea of Juche is so extremely entrenched in the population, and the Kim family has created a popularity cult so that the Dear Leaders are seen as gods. I seriously doubt any North Korean would even know what to make from the bible even if they were allowed to read them. And I seriously doubt any of them are looking for Jesus. You're naive if you think that any North Korean is going to automatically assume a bible dropped into his hands is the complete and utter truth and his Dear Leader is lying.

(November 14, 2013 at 3:27 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Our weapon technology has progressed far more vastly in the past 60 years than theirs has. Not only that, we have far better training.

do you know why we lost the first korean war?
It was Sheer volume.
It wasn't just Korea we were fighting it was China. Communist China funds and supports N/K. Why? Because they can indirectly oppose us and not loose anything in the process. While we wear ourselves out fighting korea, depleating man power, resources and getting ourselves deeper and deeper into debt doing it, who do we turn to refill the coffers? Where does the world buy all the good needed to make war? Where do we get the money to make war? who benfits the most from a long protracted war?

Quote:And I'm not so sure how loyal all the troops really are to Kim Il Sung, but I'm sure most of them prefer not to die rather than sacrifice themselves for Dear Leader. This one's a toss up though, since I'm sure they receive daily brainwashing. You'd think they'd realize how crappy their country really is, but since all their information is controlled they have nothing to compare it to. They probably think that life in other countries is just like that in NK, if not worse.

Every man woman and child is ready to die for their great leader.

Imagine if Muhammad was alive, now Imagine if he told the most radical muslims to ji-had against the west. What do you think would happen? Look what happened when one want-to-be told a dozen guys to fly planes into buildings...

These people as far as they are concerned live in heaven on earth serving their god. If he told them to die defending them they would die doing that very thing. Again i keep pointing to Japan in WWII. They did this very same thing which is why after the hell storm we fought through in okinawa we knew we did not have the numbers or will for a main land invasion, so we dropped 2 atom bombs in an attempt to help change the mind of the Emperor. (we said the next one is going to tokyo even though we did not have a 3rd one to drop)

The same thing happened already in North korea 60 years ago. That is why we are still 'technically' at war with them or rather why they are still at war with us..

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(November 14, 2013 at 5:28 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(November 14, 2013 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Any N/K looking to worship God will at least read it, and at that point will have to either reconsile the difference between what they have been taught to be God and what the bible says is God.

And again, you're assuming that many North Koreans will even be looking to worship God. I think you must be under the misunderstanding that NK is just like the United States, where people are often shopping for a Christian church to go to. North Koreans have been subjected to brainwashing for 60 years, so the idea of Juche is so extremely entrenched in the population, and the Kim family has created a popularity cult so that the Dear Leaders are seen as gods. I seriously doubt any North Korean would even know what to make from the bible even if they were allowed to read them. And I seriously doubt any of them are looking for Jesus. You're naive if you think that any North Korean is going to automatically assume a bible dropped into his hands is the complete and utter truth and his Dear Leader is lying.

I have no dulisions about how the people in North Korea live.

You need to understand they believe they are already worshiping God. Just like in Japan durning WWII they think their leader IS GOD.

Do you get it yet?

If They are already worshiping what they Think is God, then their willingness to worship a god is not in question.

So, if they want to worship God then show them the God of the bible. If they turn to worship the God of the bible then N/K army goes from 26 million, back down to 4 or 5 million (paid soldiers.) Meaning not every man woman and Child will be willing to martyr themselves for thier former god.

The North Korean military itself would be but a speed bump to our military now. China, on the other hand, would be more formidable.

(November 14, 2013 at 5:35 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: The North Korean military itself would be but a speed bump to our military now. China, on the other hand, would be more formidable.

It's N/K doing the fighting with equipment from China. That was like the US subsidizing with the taliban with wepons in the mid 80's when they were fighting the USSR. This ultimatly is what broke the back of communism in Russia. China learned this by watching us, and is in the position to do the very same thing to us with N/K.

(November 14, 2013 at 5:35 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: The North Korean military itself would be but a speed bump to our military now. China, on the other hand, would be more formidable.

North Korean conventional military forces may be nothing more than a very low speed bump for the US or South Korean military. But a zenophobic, paranoid militarized state like North Korea almost certainly has made extensive contingence preparation for the eventuality of being overrun, and would have prepared weapon caches, partisan resistence organizations, safe houses, method to continue to intimidate the civilian populations, and the other necessecities of a lengthy and bloody insurgency. As Iraq and Afganistan shows, Americans are reasonably inept at dealing with a motivated insurgency. So even if there is no direct Chinese intervention and military action against the US, any eventual American success in military operation against North Korea would probably take much longer than one might realize when one simply compare opposing forces tank for tank and plane for plane.

Furthermore, if it really becomes clear North Korea is about to be invaded and overthrown from the South, the Chinese might just preemptively invade and occupy North Korea, and confront the US with the much tougher choice of whether to actually attack the Chinese or not.

(November 14, 2013 at 6:21 pm)Chuck Wrote: Furthermore, if it really becomes clear North Korea is about to be invaded and overthrown from the South, the Chinese might just preemptively invade and occupy North Korea, and confront the US with the much tougher choice of whether to actually attack the Chinese or not.

I could see this as a more likely scenario than them joining the North Koreans after we've begun an invasion, like in the Korean War. I don't think that China wants to piss off its largest customer by attacking its forces, but I could see a preemptive occupation of NK and then saying, "Come and get us" and hoping we won't want to go to war with them.

(November 14, 2013 at 5:48 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 14, 2013 at 5:35 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: The North Korean military itself would be but a speed bump to our military now. China, on the other hand, would be more formidable.

It's N/K doing the fighting with equipment from China. That was like the US subsidizing with the taliban with wepons in the mid 80's when they were fighting the USSR. This ultimatly is what broke the back of communism in Russia. China learned this by watching us, and is in the position to do the very same thing to us with N/K.

Your forgetting a few things. First off is that the Korean tanks are home brewed, and have no real service record compared to a Abrams which can out manoeuvre and out shoot them. Another and more important is aerial superiority. Neither the Chinese nor the Koreans have anything that can touch a raptor or a f35. That not even thinking about what a arely Burke, or a los Angelo's class could do. The issue is insurgency warfare which I think would evaporate if you kept them well fed after the war.

(November 13, 2013 at 3:45 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 13, 2013 at 3:10 pm)tokutter Wrote: You mean like the mormons

Wait for it..................here it comes............


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Mormons center their belief on the book of mormon and not christ.

If the book of Mormon and the recorded words of Christ were to ever conflict the book of mormon would prevail for the mormon. Which means their worship is not Christ centered. It is book of mormon centered. Which means by defination and their actions they are not 'christian' as their worship does not center around Christ.

Wow Drich that was really insightful. Maybe if you went and explained that to the mormons they would throw up their hands in frustration and walk away from their religion. That faith stuff really gets in the way of reason......doesn't it???

Let's see..............The jews say the christians leader is full of goose grease>>>>>>>>>The christians say the jew will see the light and then claim the mormon leader is full of goose grease>>>>>>>>>>The mormons say the christians will see the light.............anybody see a pattern here.

Drich hopefully one day you will see through the road blocks satan has put in front of your and realise your salvation flows through the prophet Joey Smith.

Until then.........peace brother.


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