The world through Sleepy's eyes

(February 13, 2013 at 12:06 am)Aegrus Wrote: I'm not very familiar with Islam. However, I recently had a small portion of it explained to me by a Muslim woman who goes to the same college as I.

According to her, a woman in Islam is worth 1/2 of a man. (She actually tried to argue that this was proof that Islam respects women. I don't know how she thought that saying women are worth 1/2 of men would help her case. Maybe she assumes that women outside of Islam are worth less than 1/2 of a male?)

At any rate, her English wasn't very good, so it's possible she meant that men and women are considered equal halves by Islam.

Does anyone here know if Islamic texts give any fractions for the worth of women? I will consider it bigoted and horrid unless 1 woman=1 man.

Hi ,

I'm gonna make a quick explanation .By the way my english is also not perfect , I hope you will understand .

According to islamic rules , men have to work , women dont have .

Men are obliged to support their family , mother , sisters , little brothers etc .

Men have to meet the marriage expenses and after marriage expenses ( buying a house , buying a car , buying new household goods , gifts etc )

There is no necessity for women .

This is why men take 2 times more share of inheritance .

But everthing doesnt end here , another verse orders muslims to give people those who in need .

So you're a man and your financial situation is good enough , in this case you have no right to take 2 times more pieces of inheritance . You will give your share to the your sisters or other brothers those who in need .

(November 28, 2013 at 4:33 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(February 13, 2013 at 12:06 am)Aegrus Wrote: I'm not very familiar with Islam. However, I recently had a small portion of it explained to me by a Muslim woman who goes to the same college as I.

According to her, a woman in Islam is worth 1/2 of a man. (She actually tried to argue that this was proof that Islam respects women. I don't know how she thought that saying women are worth 1/2 of men would help her case. Maybe she assumes that women outside of Islam are worth less than 1/2 of a male?)

At any rate, her English wasn't very good, so it's possible she meant that men and women are considered equal halves by Islam.

Does anyone here know if Islamic texts give any fractions for the worth of women? I will consider it bigoted and horrid unless 1 woman=1 man.

Hi ,

I'm gonna make a quick explanation .By the way my english is also not perfect , I hope you will understand .

According to islamic rules , men have to work , women dont have .

Men are obliged to support their family , mother , sisters , little brothers etc .

Men have to meet the marriage expenses and after marriage expenses ( buying a house , buying a car , buying new household goods , gifts etc )

There is no necessity for women .

This is why men take 2 times more share of inheritance .

But everthing doesnt end here , another verse orders muslims to give people those who in need .

So you're a man and your financial situation is good enough , in this case you have no right to take 2 times more pieces of inheritance . You will give your share to the your sisters or other brothers those who in need .

You know what? A lot of women do want to work and do work.

In the western world the emancipation of women has progressed centuries ahead of that in the Islamic world, to the point where a woman can lead a state and dictate international affairs on an equal footing to her male counterparts.

Can you imagine a female leader of an Islamic state? What about a leading female cleric? Indeed, perhaps the most dominant section of western society that isn't emancipated are the religious entities that still dominate some sections of society (eg Catholic Church).

I think your comment that women "don't have to work" is actually an insult to those who do and do it bloody well, like my fiancé, who is developing antibioitics that will hopefully one day save millions of lives.

If she were born in an Islamic state, she would have and will achieve nothing her entire life except to spawn more humans and obey her husband.

(November 28, 2013 at 12:33 pm)Sleepy Wrote: The most logical women is not as logical as the most logical man. Women have lapses in judgement, they use their emotions and feelings more. That's just their nature.

Women are given property rights in Islam while in the west women didn't start getting property rights until 1800-1900s

Women are given rights under divorce and under Islam you're supposed to give women respect. The reason women are to cover their hair because without it they're sex objects that men stare. At least in America that's how it is

West women rights- dancing naked in music videos to lyrics calling women bitches and hoes and only for male pleasure. Women's rights! Lol

Islam- women cover up, have respect, property rights, divorce rights

I honestly laugh at your idea of women rights. It's the liberal media that has forced this down your throats.

Women less logical than men? Back that up with evidence, or admit to this being a lie.

"The reason women are to cover their hair because without it they're sex objects that men stare"

So you're saying women cover themselves up because men can't control themselves. And you say men are more logical . . .?

"Islam- women cover up, have respect, property rights, divorce rights
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And appear to be property, especially in conservative societies.

"West women rights- dancing naked in music videos to lyrics calling women bitches and hoes and only for male pleasure. Women's rights! "

No, women's rights in the west: the FREEDOM to do that if they wish. The FREEDOM to marry who they will, or not marry. The FREEDOM to get a decent education. The FREEDOM to have a career of their choice, if they so choose.

(November 28, 2013 at 6:32 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: You know what? A lot of women do want to work and do work.

In the western world the emancipation of women has progressed centuries ahead of that in the Islamic world, to the point where a woman can lead a state and dictate international affairs on an equal footing to her male counterparts.

Can you imagine a female leader of an Islamic state? What about a leading female cleric? Indeed, perhaps the most dominant section of western society that isn't emancipated are the religious entities that still dominate some sections of society (eg Catholic Church).

I think your comment that women "don't have to work" is actually an insult to those who do and do it bloody well, like my fiancé, who is developing antibioitics that will hopefully one day save millions of lives.

If she were born in an Islamic state, she would have and will achieve nothing her entire life except to spawn more humans and obey her husband.

You're just trying to understand it the way which you want to understand . Islam doesnt prohibit women to work . Islam does not require women to work . A lot of women do want work and work in muslim countries too . The primary mission of women is their children . This is essential for healthy child development and a strong family structure .

You will find muslim female government officials if you examine the history of Muslim countries . Actually I dont want to discuss about "government policies" and "how they live their life" . This doesnt bind the essence of Islam . But I can discuss about Quran and what Allah want people to do .

Women are not baby factories. Stop it.

(November 28, 2013 at 7:14 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Women are not baby factories. Stop it.

(November 28, 2013 at 7:14 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Women are not baby factories. Stop it.

I didnt say such a thing .

(November 28, 2013 at 7:06 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(November 28, 2013 at 6:32 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: You know what? A lot of women do want to work and do work.

In the western world the emancipation of women has progressed centuries ahead of that in the Islamic world, to the point where a woman can lead a state and dictate international affairs on an equal footing to her male counterparts.

Can you imagine a female leader of an Islamic state? What about a leading female cleric? Indeed, perhaps the most dominant section of western society that isn't emancipated are the religious entities that still dominate some sections of society (eg Catholic Church).

I think your comment that women "don't have to work" is actually an insult to those who do and do it bloody well, like my fiancé, who is developing antibioitics that will hopefully one day save millions of lives.

If she were born in an Islamic state, she would have and will achieve nothing her entire life except to spawn more humans and obey her husband.

You're just trying to understand it the way which you want to understand . Islam doesnt prohibit women to work . Islam does not require women to work . A lot of women do want work and work in muslim countries too .

You said women = 1/2 men because they're not required to work.

But they are. Do you know what would happen if all women stopped working? You'd only have 50% of the workforce, the world will not be able to go on.

So muslims, just like everyone else, has been benefitting from women's work but refuse to grant women equal statuses as men because "oh, we didn't say you have to work". That's a little childish.

Quote:The primary mission of women is their children . This is essential for healthy child development and a strong family structure .

I am a woman and my primary mission is not children.

Quote:You will find muslim female government officials if you examine the history of Muslim countries .

Yea exactly, see you guys benefit from the service of women but refuse to say women are equals.

Quote:Actually I dont want to discuss about "government policies" and "how they live their life" . This doesnt bind the essence of Islam . But I can discuss about Quran and what Allah want people to do .

You cannot escape what is happening in the real world though, if a book is incompatible with the world or says things that cannot practically be done, then how can it be written by god?

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Ok, let me further illustrate my point about women and work. My family only has daughters, so as a girl if I do not work and my sisters do not work, what is to become of us? Who's going to pay for my school and who's going to pay for the rent? Who's going to pay for the dress I want to buy and the trip I want to go on? So we do have to work, regardless of what the qur'an says, because you can repeat that all you like but the reality is we'd starve to death if we don't.

And when you say men are required to work, what does that even mean? Is unemployment supposed to be illegal? If men do not work what is the punishment.

These are just things that some ancient person wrote down without thinking about how it would affect a 21st century society and the economy.

(November 28, 2013 at 7:17 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(November 28, 2013 at 7:14 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Women are not baby factories. Stop it.

I didnt say such a thing .

Yes, you did. It's right there in your post.